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TheManager 05-27-2014 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1652635)
OK. Make the resolution, you will have my support. I just want to know how you suggest we define "significant" so that other pilots agree.

There was outcry that pilots like PD were not getting his PD's paid back and ALPA wasn't doing anything to help.* I'm glad that worked out :) The delay otherwise would have been approximately 60 days. I will defer to the manual for the procedures that have to be followed since you seem to prefer brief answers. I wonder, do we know whether management would have made the same offer after the summer flying crunch?

Would you have voted for this agreement?

What benefit do you believe would have come from memrat on this agreement?



Bar. Airplane that is delayed for over 3 hrs is here. Got to run. I can address significant later tonight. In the mean time, what would you deem significant. Wording before was just that.

"Significant"

Personally, I'd reverse engineer the LOA s on the JVs and define significant with the points that later proved to be harmful to us. It's not that difficult nor a contentious issue. Obviously 117 changes and CDOs are significant.

tsquare 05-27-2014 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1652665)
isn't that what he implied?

I don't know what he was implying. I THINK he was implying that he believes the 747 is so senior and the pilots now holding it would get bumped.. I believe the 777 is more senior but I am not sure.... I know the 777 has a higher percentage of mandatory retirements coming in the nest few years...

forgot to bid 05-27-2014 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1652604)
Did it? I mean the language suggests now an insignificant agreement could be sent out to memrat. Now it is what ever the MEC wants to send out (or escape responsibility for).

I am "OK with that" because I elected my reps. I've talked to them and I trust them to make a good decision on my behalf. I am happy with the result and would have voted "yes."

How would you have voted?


(maybe I should want memrat because this would have been the first yes vote I've ever cast)

Voted on which TA, the one with the CDOs or without?

And fwiw yes if the MEC wanted every agreement could go to the memory rat.

Cubdrick 05-27-2014 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1652599)
My PDs were reversed today. That was quicker than I expected.

How did you see it was reversed? I pulled up my schedule from the 31Jan bid period and still saw a "P/DR". Are you seeing it somewhere else to feel it was reversed?

Purple Drank 05-27-2014 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1652673)
Yeah, ALPA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

Hey man, I'm trying to be above-board and give credit where credit is due.

but thanks for being a dick (as usual).

Bucking Bar 05-27-2014 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1652679)
Bar.

Personally, I'd reverse engineer the LOA s on the JVs and define significant with the points that later proved to be harmful to us. It's not that difficult nor a contentious issue. Obviously 117 changes and CDOs are significant.

I am firmly with you on the Transatlantic JV 36 month window. Unsure on the TransPac and against on 177, but again with you on CDO's.

Good luck on the 3 hour delay and have a cup of joe on me.

If we can figure out a litmus test for "significant" then I agree with you and will work on getting something passed if you want the help.

forgot to bid 05-27-2014 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1652681)
I don't know what he was implying. I THINK he was implying that he believes the 747 is so senior and the pilots now holding it would get bumped.. I believe the 777 is more senior but I am not sure.... I know the 777 has a higher percentage of mandatory retirements coming in the nest few years...

This sounds like a time for

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Excel Spreadsheet Super Hero Man!

Fact or Fiction?

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Tsquare: " I know the 777 has a higher percentage of mandatory retirements coming in the nest few years"

........ ... .... need double if statement... . ... ... ...

TRUE.

If you're dumb enough to trust ESSHM, the 777A is going to lose 26% of its pilots (72 total) in the next 3 years. The 744A comes in at 21% (46).

Now the next highest percentage of loss comes from the 765A losing 23% or 41 pilots in the next 3 years, the 330A only loses 12% or 36 pilots.

NB? The 717A will lose a higher % of As to retirement then the M88A (3% vs 2%), although there are nearly 1000 M88As vs 185 717As.

The 7ERA will lose 109 As but that is only 7% of that category.

I think the whole DTW744A -> ATL744A is nothing more than an effort to irritate FNWA. The thought is that because of the fence that DTW744A is junior-ish. Thus if you closed it and reopened it in ATL at the end of the year then senior guys would bid it and flush out all of the FNWA from 744A.

The only thing is training capacity couldn't handle a complete flush, you'd be taking As (there's only a dozen-ish Bs senior to the 744A plug) and moving them to the 744 which probably wouldn't happen in mass and why bother?

ATL 744 departures per day... 1
DTW 744 departures per day... 2
MSP 744 departures per day... 1
LGA 744 departures per day... 0 :eek:
SLC 744 departures per day... 0
CVG 744 departures per day... 0
LAX 744 departures per day... 1
SEA 744 departures per day... 0 <- big mistake if they want to troll Alaskan Airlines
JFK 744 departures per day... 2




forgot to bid 05-27-2014 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1652706)

Good luck on the 3 hour delay and have a cup of joe on me.
.

You must have gotten a GS. Because a "cup of joe on me..."

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is only for high rollers and big spenders.

Bucking Bar 05-27-2014 04:39 PM

Yeah but how many 88 Captains Section 8 out? You know, nightmares, recurring dreams, lousy Denzel Washington jokes and what not?

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Bucking Bar 05-27-2014 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1652735)
You must have gotten a GS. Because a "cup of joe on me..."

is only for high rollers and big spenders.

It's that damn phone app. You would not believe how much money I spent getting GOLD status then, nothing. 1 out of every 12 is free and free refills ... yeah, so I drink mine, get the refill and hand the cup to the Captain, or A Line.


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