It is easy to figure out. A few days ago I urged an 88 guy with Easy bid to look at their trips into/out of destinations within 2 hours of their base that depart and arrive under the conditions of these CDOs. NY 7ER does not have any at all. Sort the trips, and viola' you have the potential... likely split duty rotations. FOr example, I'll wager that whoever does the ATL/TYS 717 flights will be doing standups/illegals/CDOs/Split duty... whatever vernacular you want to use.

So if one pilot does a red eye against his wishes is that a concession? There are pilots that want to do CDOs and they see this as a win. This is the issue with 12000 pilots what one sees as a concession another sees as a win.

I for one do not care either way. I have flown them in the past at NWA and for me they worked fine.

edit: Because there is so much angst on this issue I believe it HAS to go to memrat or CDOs should not be allowed.

It sets a dangerous precedent. I agree with 88 on this one. What is the next degradation of rest that we will accept? THAT is the issue.

Pocket change. And of course we all know that the detrimental stuff will be implemented before the ink is dry, and the beneficial stuff will take a year or so.

ADG and SDP both start in the NOV bid period.

Assuming it gets past the memory rat.

At the risk of being repetitive, why are people suddenly all right using language like "it doesn't appear that" or "it's highly unlikely that" with regards to the company's plans with CDOs and augmented flights? If that is the case, put ironclad language into the TA so that there aren't giant holes the company can drive through. And as far as this fantasy that there are a bunch of pilots who want CDOs, show me some numbers. I've never been polled about it, nor have I ever heard one pilot express an interest in doing them. We have approximately 12000 pilots, so unless 6001 want them included in our contract, my belief is that they shouldn't even be a consideration.

88 we are going to agree to disagree. I have done these in the past at NWA. I was not senior enough to hold them but could sometimes pick them up under our open time system.

I agree that you get a 3 to 4 hours of sleep on these however I would get a few hours of sleep the day prior and the day after, especially if I was doing 2 in row. We talk about being professionals so why can't you believe that our group can be professionals and get the sleep that is required?

I will say I would rather do a CDO then LA to TPA redeye. My bet is in MSP and DTW these will go very senior in ATL not as much. I won't lose sleep either way the CDO issue is decided.

I do appreciate your point of view so please don't take this as a personal attack.

It has to get past the MEC first. I don't think that's guaranteed.
Some of them don't like it. Hard to say how many.

From what I hear there is a giant hole in it wrt rest. It is the word "scheduled". I have a huge problem with that.