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DAL 88 Driver 07-24-2014 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1691167)
Moak has a highly effective team, an offensive line if you will, who block and run plays. They believe in his "vision." Without them he would not be where he is and he could not execute.

Moak looks good in a suit and is a good spokesman. As good as he is, I have been most impressed by his team and how they work together. His leadership, first and foremost, is evidenced in his political offensive line. They've kept their quarterback on the field.

I don't care how good the quarterback looks. What I care about is what he produces. I realize this "quarterback" had to come in after we were down about 32 points. We went down another 10 points after he got in the game, and after years and years of "playing" we're still down about 34 points. Not sure whether the lack of production is due to poor quarterback play, poor offensive line play, or some combination, but I'm not impressed. Success in football requires more than just "being on the field." The really bad part is that this "quarterback" thinks his team is doing great and, even worse, he seems to have convinced quite a few of us that being down 34 points is an acceptable performance.

Going2Baja 07-24-2014 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1691050)
It's interesting that if NWA had not been ALPA, the merger may have been way more favorable to Delta than the way it went.

More favorable???? How much more - a staple? I lost 6+ years or nearly 1900 numbers. I was on furlough during the merger talks and no one really discusses it anymore...but how the heck did an arbitrator award that?

Baja.

Bainite 07-24-2014 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1691163)
Non-union airline. I think that's the term that needed to be put into words! I think it will help me be less angry with DALPA sometimes if I think of them as the pilot relations committee of Delta management. I don't know how the JBlu relationship has worked, but I would envision a non-union airline has a group of managers led by a VP of some kind whose job it is to deal with pilot issues as they arise. Sometimes, that group argues on behalf of the pilots. Sometimes, they pacify the pilots and try to quell unrest. But their primary concern is to keep the company profitable, and ensure their boss (the CEO) is happy. How is this this different than DALPA today?

Union dues?

Fly4hire 07-24-2014 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1691167)
Moak has a highly effective team, an offensive line if you will, who block and run plays. They believe in his "vision." Without them he would not be where he is and he could not execute.

Moak looks good in a suit and is a good spokesman. As good as he is, I have been most impressed by his team and how they work together. His leadership, first and foremost, is evidenced in his political offensive line. They've kept their quarterback on the field.

All true, but we are not playing football and how does that relate or equate to representing the will of his or DALPA constituents in an ostensibly bottom up organization? So he can execute a plan. Whose?

scambo1 07-24-2014 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1691163)
Non-union airline. I think that's the term that needed to be put into words! I think it will help me be less angry with DALPA sometimes if I think of them as the pilot relations committee of Delta management. I don't know how the JBlu relationship has worked, but I would envision a non-union airline has a group of managers led by a VP of some kind whose job it is to deal with pilot issues as they arise. Sometimes, that group argues on behalf of the pilots. Sometimes, they pacify the pilots and try to quell unrest. But their primary concern is to keep the company profitable, and ensure their boss (the CEO) is happy. How is this this different than DALPA today?

Wow!

Did someone turn on the lights in here?

Carl Spackler 07-24-2014 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1691167)
Moak has a highly effective team, an offensive line if you will, who block and run plays. They believe in his "vision." Without them he would not be where he is and he could not execute.

Moak looks good in a suit and is a good spokesman. As good as he is, I have been most impressed by his team and how they work together. His leadership, first and foremost, is evidenced in his political offensive line. They've kept their quarterback on the field.

Here's the problem with this Bar: Anybody with such an incredible lack of integrity could have had similar "success." Moak was given the keys to ALPA by the reps to look out for the the airline pilot profession. Instead, he used the position to strengthen airline management at every turn. It took no talent or skill to do that. Only the willingness to turn your back on the people who gave you your power.

No different than if Moak had been elected as the Israeli prime minister, then he used that position to give Jerusalem to the Palestinians. Without question the United Nations and the entire Arab world would hail Moak as the great leader who finally brought peace to the Middle East. But what would Israelis think of their leader's actions? Maybe they'd say he looks good in a suit. :rolleyes:

Carl

Carl Spackler 07-24-2014 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1691163)
Non-union airline. I think that's the term that needed to be put into words! I think it will help me be less angry with DALPA sometimes if I think of them as the pilot relations committee of Delta management. I don't know how the JBlu relationship has worked, but I would envision a non-union airline has a group of managers led by a VP of some kind whose job it is to deal with pilot issues as they arise. Sometimes, that group argues on behalf of the pilots. Sometimes, they pacify the pilots and try to quell unrest. But their primary concern is to keep the company profitable, and ensure their boss (the CEO) is happy. How is this this different than DALPA today?


Originally Posted by Bainite (Post 1691178)
Union dues?

Wow. Pithy and funny.

Then I remembered ... I'm represented by DALPA. :(

Carl

Carl Spackler 07-24-2014 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1691193)
Wow!

Did someone turn on the lights in here?

Why, yes. It does seem brighter in here doesn't it.

Carl

Mesabah 07-24-2014 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Going2Baja (Post 1691177)
More favorable???? How much more - a staple? I lost 6+ years or nearly 1900 numbers. I was on furlough during the merger talks and no one really discusses it anymore...but how the heck did an arbitrator award that?

Baja.

Management can circumvent McCaskill-Bond.

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