Jupiter, actually. :cool:

Anyone who's read any of my posts should know by now how eager I am to learn everything there is to know about any changes to our work rules. And to the extent that there is a decision to be made by me and my fellow pilots, or by my reps, I want those decisions to be based on factual information and nothing else, including spin.

I assume we're both on the same page there? ;)

Help me out here. If men are from Mars, women from Venus, who is from Jupiter? :eek:

Absolutely. Cheers.

Flamingos, of course. :p

And you, my friend.

If it's anything like I experienced last summer in the midst of two months of tsra activity is that if you get there too late (for instance ORF at 130am) and the FAs are doing the 6am out, they just slept in the airplane. Don't blame them really, what's the point? Save yourself 50 min of round trip driving, 10 min of checking in, TSA and that's if the hotel and van have their act together.

I would sleep in the airplane too.

The whole "red-eyes" suck is the idea that people don't show up rested for work. I would maintain for some people 6 or 7 AM reports may be lest rested than 10 PM reports. Personally (while I know I am an anomaly) I would take a lot of those 3 day 30 hour layover trips because they fit with my home life and I was able to get good sleep before, during and after the trip. If, for some reason they still exist (the CDOs, etc. may eliminate those) they will be very popular as they will move to a 3 day 15:45 with a ton of credit. I believe we need to see that actual language (with explanations of the language versus 117) before we judge. While it is hard to judge this as a "win" or "loss" I am willing to see the whole thing, talk to my reps about it and then figure out whether I am for or against it. Anybody that thinks in this environment we are going to get big "wins" against the company is forgetting we are in a very poor position with regards to overall political environment for RLA. While the Democrats are in general union supporters I really don't think it extends to the white collar professional union like ours (just the blue collar ones like Teachers, Teamsters, UAW, etc). Maybe I'm just a pessimist having lived through the 9/11 furlough, the bankruptcy, pension loss, huge pay losses, no progression (as a 2000 hire I am still over a 1000 numbers from the most junior CA position and still don't believe I will have a shot at CA with enough seniority to make it worthwhile (my target would be 73n/320 mid level seniority out on the West Coast)).

I was discussing with a friend that if we do approve the CDO's, I wouldn't be surprised to see any MX issues pushed off onto the last departures, ie; the CDO's, via aircraft swaps in order to maintain schedule integrity throughout the day. In other words, you show up for your CDO, and MX has a red tag on the plane and gives you a ready time 3 hours later...

The six hour scheduled behind the door could be a rarity in that case. We really need to see the language and decide if there are enough protections to keep the operation realistic and safe.

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3 > 4? Do you get easily duped? Have you helped out a Nigerian prince by responding to his email and mailing a blank check? :D

That ^^^

Does anyone have any thoughts on whether theses CDO's will create a need for more pilots, less pilots, or will it be net neutral?

Actually, the worst trips to me are the 3 day trips that start with a Redeye and on day 3 you are up at 7 or 8 AM Eastern time after landing at 7 or 8 AM the day prior. So, either you are the type that was rested for the Redeye and absolutely can't sleep on day two because you didn't wake up until 2 PM after your day 1 redeye. Both of those 3 day trips (if they didn't fall into the 2200 carve out) paid 13:30 and will now pay 15:45 (if the company doesn't find a pay to build more credit in).

If NWA had them you can bet they reduce staffing. Any word on what AA came up with in regards to 117 negotiations?