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Mesabah 05-18-2014 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1646105)
We'll need to see more details to find out whether a CDO can be mixed in with other flying in a rotation. At my former job, they were always stand-alone rotations.

They are stand alone here now at 9E, the highest rate of sick calls here was CDOs added onto a regular trip.

Bucking Bar 05-18-2014 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1646100)
What if the CDO is in the middle of a longer rotation?

Do I understand your post, Bar, as saying it cannot be? Where do you get that from?

Phone calls to two Reps.

There are also grouping limits. Three in a row, I think. Was not taking notes.

Bucking Bar 05-18-2014 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1646102)
will be open? Has anyone heard for sure?

Waiting sorta patiently,
Ferd

That is my understanding.

Ferd149 05-18-2014 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1646110)
Phone calls to two Reps.

There are also grouping limits. Three in a row, I think. Was not taking notes.

Did they say anything about how they would be paid? One duty period, or two minimum days? (for example)

Ferd149 05-18-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1646111)
That is my understanding.

Cool, you're one of the few guys I'll trust meeting notes from:cool:

Rudder 05-18-2014 12:15 PM

I admit I live in the sticks but what is a CDO?

Also, nominate Sailing for the first official spin on this one as he said that pilots were pushing for this one, who on here has done that?

index 05-18-2014 12:18 PM

Continuous Duty Overnight

Rudder 05-18-2014 12:19 PM

thx index!

Purple Drank 05-18-2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1645777)
I suspect the relief pilot option was geared at a couple of specific flights the company wants to fly in the Central America market or NRT market.

Riigghhttt. And ALV + 15 was just for international categories.

Spin spin spin

Alan Shore 05-18-2014 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1645930)
I didn't attack Alan, I asked a question. And I did it in a similar sarcastic way as he responded to 88Driver above.

I was serious in my question to 88Driver. He was accusing me and my fellow pilots of failing to act responsibly and/or comply with the FARs regarding fitness for duty unless we are somehow prevented from doing so by the FAR.

The point of the question was to ask him just how far he thought that should go. As out there as it sounds, there have been those in the past who have advocated exactly such a scenario regarding the policing of every pilot's actions prior to report. My view is that we are all big boys who do not need the the gubmint to lead us by the wrist to do the right thing.

His mileage has clearly varied.


Originally Posted by index (Post 1645930)
Now, keep in mind that 88Driver had a very good point about pilots feeling pressured to fly CDOs if assigned to them. He's spot on. The same applies to pilots flying sick because they don't want to deal with the hassle. To think this pressure is not there is naive. It may not be so for you, me, or Alan but it does affect some. We've all flown with pilots who should've called in sick. The same will happen with CDOs.

No pilot should ever be pressured into performing duty for which he is not fit, whether that last of fitness is due to illness, fatigue, or something else. We should all be encouraging each other to do the right things and stop the operation whenever it gets to the point of being unsafe for whatever reason. Anything less is a disservice to ourselves, our passengers, and our profession.


Originally Posted by index (Post 1645930)
Further, Alan has been posting non-stop regarding the recently inked TA. I will reserve my judgment until I read the full language.

So now I'm not allowed to enter into a discussion about my own job? Yes, I'm eager to learn what's in the TA. Yes, I'm interested in engaging in debate over the merits of what we do know. And I believe I've too have made it clear that the devil will be in the details.


Originally Posted by index (Post 1645930)
Although he acknowledges some shortcomings in the TA, the overwhelming majority of his posts cast the TA bullet points (I remind you that we haven't even seen the final language) in an overly positive light. As for the concessions (ex: CDOs) he dismisses them by saying that some pilots actually want them or that he is senior enough to bid around them.

Really? I think I started off the whole CDO discussion about having hated them at my former job, and having been informed by some fNWA pilot friends that they were popular there and how they compare favorably to flying all-nighters. Other than that, it's been about engaging folks like 88Driver who seem to feel that the gubmint is here to protect us from ourselves and each other.

Which of my posts seem to be in an "overly positive light" to you?


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