Did you discuss the issue of pay on the CDO's. If it is not pay and full credit then it would be a no on my part. That would be a precedent we should not set. I have a call into my rep on the issue but no reply yet.

The posting of Jennifer Aniston pictures has got to stop. Tomorrow.

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Then why is it in there? "We don't think they would do that" Barf.

Last flight out ATL-LAX, 2 pilots, 2 hotels once they get there. etc. Red Eye back, 2 pilots, 2 hotels from previous night.

Instead, augmented crew doing the same, 3 pilots, no hotels. Am I missing something?

13 hour flight time limit, 13 hour duty day.

It's there for a reason. But I think you already know that.

Only that it's two pilots each doing half the turn vs three pilots each doing half the turn (the same three for each leg, of course). One more pilot on each leg vs. the cost of 4 hotel rooms.

I'm not sure I understand how it works, but I think you are right pay and credit. So I think it puts you over guarantee on reserve starting with the first COD.

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My understanding is an enlightened religious leader issued a Fatwah on Air Conditioners after seeing Friends ... I kid you not.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabi...-decree-468236

A man identified on Twitter as Abul Ala and claiming to be a Salafist-Wahhabist cleric, has decreed women should not turn on air conditioners or coolers at home, in the absence of their husbands.

According to the Iran-based Al-Alam news network the cleric is alleged to have decreed: “turning on the cooler ventilator is prohibited for women in the absence of their husbands” because “the woman’s act is very dangerous, and may bring about immorality in the society.

Read more at Fatwa Warns Women About Air Conditioners - Blur Brain

Yes you really are missing something. This has already been posted about. Flying it as a turn saves the hotel costs only. If the turn is 11 hours round trip then using 3 pilots will generate 33 hours of pay. That does not include additional costs such as increased credit on other rotations. If you fly it with a 2 man crew you have 22 block hours to pay for. I can't believe this is a hard point to grasp.

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Here's the serious question you posed to 88Driver

Really? That was a serious question? Petitioning the FAA to have us placed in a monitored, isolated facility prior to report? Sounds pretty sarcastic to me.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1646127)

He was accusing me and my fellow pilots of failing to act responsibly and/or comply with the FARs regarding fitness for duty

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You're being a bit overdramatic waiving your "how dare you question my integrity" flag about all of this. You may be the one guy out there that's never flown sick or tired. Good for you. I think most of us have done both at one time or another, sometimes at the same time.

You are completely mischaracterizing 88Driver's statements. His point, if I understand it correctly, is that when you have rules in place (like CDOs) that are inherently unsafe, it places pilots in a very bad place. Probably 99%+ of us are Type-A "get er done" mentality. It's in our very nature to finish. Couple that with pressure from management, or even pressure we may put on ourselves, often leads to making poor decisions about whether or not to continue.


APCLurker put it well:

That's right, Alan. You're not allowed to enter into a discussion about your job. I was quite clear in my two sentences above. I mean, it left no room for any other conclusion except for the one you came up with.

You're not from Venus are you?:)

I agree that was a bit of an extreme scenario. :o

And he was also a bit overdramatic when he characterizing some, most, or all pilots as those who would not do what it takes to be ready to fly when they're assigned to do so. Rules like CDO's, if properly limited, are not inherently unsafe, unless you assume that pilots' actions beforehand will inevitably make them so. If that is the case, we need to go after commuters because some number of them will not report for duty properly rested. And we need to eliminate early reports in base because some local pilots won't go to bed early like they should.

Where does it end?