Aren't you putting the cart before the horse here? I'm thinking of the punchline from the old joke that says "What!?! We have to work EVERY Wednesday!?!" You have already evaluated something you haven't seen... :confused:

Denny

You aren't following the discussion. Put it to me simply. Assuming it's still on the schedule, Delta cancels it's ORD-CDG flights for a week and they blame the pilots for not acknowledging trips.

They go to the District Court in Illinois and want an injunction to get ALPA to stop paying pilots for PD's. They say it gives pilots incentive not to fly. They also want monetary damages for the loss of revenue and good will. They cite the fact the ALPA has never done that before and now the rate of trip being dropped has increased -- they can prove it. How does it work in court?

Denny,

I was winding up to reply to the same statement, but you hit the nail on the head. :D

I get why we're all antsy about something that will change our PWA. For a bunch that likes to be in control, it's hard for us to deal with being in the dark. Details will be out soon enough. My rep indicated that it was a good deal for us. I trust his judgement, and therefore have a hard time believing that "we surrendered" :rolleyes:

I'll reserve final judgement until I see it with my own eyes.

Wouldn't the courts want to know why the pilots are being punished [PD's]?

Yikes! The inmates are restless today.
Think I'll keep my head down to avoid the crossfire.

I have an open mind about the TA. Patiently waiting for the language.

Just like to express one concern:

The "Vectors" e-mail from the MEC says --

Special MEC Meeting to convene 21-22 May in Atlanta to consider the agreement. More information will be forthcoming after your representatives have had a chance to meet in special session and consider all aspects of this TA.

I hope that doesn't mean they aren't going to show the line pilots what's in it before they meet to vote on the 21st.

Please MEC --> include us in the process. Publish the TA before you meet. Don't do this in secret.

You dismissed the court and the case, index. Now you are backtracking.

And if you knew anything you would know that the first thing a good attorney would advise his client is to file in a Court where they will most likely get a favorable opinion.

I'm not going to research the District Court in Georgia, because even if it were likely to give an unfavorable opinion, Delta would manipulate the situation so as to be able to file a complaint in a court that would be more favorable to them.

You shouldn't try to give lessons on venue if you don't know how the game is played.

This is chess. You can't jump my queen.

Without giving an opinion on something I've not yet seen, it does sound like a fairly comprehensive agreement. Like more than just the 117 issue. Could this include a contract extension with some work rule and pay adjustments? That is perhaps why the MEC won't release it until they've approved* it.

*Note--'approved' does not mean 'endorsed'

What's up with NYC again? 2nd week in a row called for and out of base GS. If they'd only called 30 min earlier if be up to 115 he's credit with 2 weeks left to let the THUNDER ROLL!

Going to be a great Summer:)

I know this is gonna start a big furball, but I am curious as to why you believe their meeting to discuss the TA is somehow a "secret" before putting it out to the membership. Why is it necessary to be published before they meet? Don't you want your reps to understand what was agreed to before they have to answer some of the inevitable stupid questions they are gonna get? (Like why we surrendered without even a whimper) Or is it that it is going to be viewed as a "sales job"?

I think we're saying the same thing.

If the meeting on the 21st is only for discussion then I'm good. No problem.

However, if they plan to vote up or down on ratification at that meeting, then I would like to see it first so I can provide input to my reps and they can answer questions.