Not a rhetorical question, but you are implying that filing the grievance would have been the better option over negotiating with the threat of a grievance. How would that have created more leverage and why?

If the company would not have been negotiating in good faith etc, I would agree with you, but there was risk for both sides in the grievance process. SD's letter was way off base, but there is quite a bit of contradictory language wrt reserve and obligations. Certainly if it appeared things were not going our way, we would not have had any leverage at that point. The threat of a grievance and the implications that go with that action, may have carried more weight than filling Jan 1.

I have my doubts that I am going to like this TA, but I have no problem trying to negotiate a solution first. You feel differently and that is fine as well.

80, I don't understand. Are you currently in possession of specific or general information as to the content of this proposed agreement?

It could be inferred from your statement that you have such information. Otherwise, why would you make such a statement?

If you are a rep, it would be inappropriate prior to the release of the agreement to be making statements regarding the content of the agreement. If you are not a rep, why would you have this information and why are you talking about it?

I attended one of the PUB events a few months ago. The reps I talked to said that the time for giving back to the Company was over. I would like to believe their statements. But then, what do I know? I'm just a line swine.

That is a good idea. All days over 8 hours of flying should be paid as an automatic Greenslip :D I would also add nourishing crew-meals and a longer layo.

We did not rush. Although there were no scheduled "Ms", we ate peanuts and the FAs gave us some leftovers.

On a greenslip, or after and before a long layover, or for the efficiency seeking pilot; these 8+ hr flying (Domestic) can be enticing. I, for one, think they are very draining and could be a potential issue in the future.

TEN

Kind of hard to believe this when they are putting PDs on lines now. Yeah, nothing nefarious going on here.

Legally? Really? What "law" would be violated and who would enforce it? An MEC Special Committee Deputy?

So it's okay for you to leak characterizations but no specifics? Without details your "info" is mere propaganda.

Are you a rep? Where are you getting your info from?

However, considering that they have to give you the violated X-days back, making you once again unavailable to the company, it functions as a pseudo green slip with conflict.

In fact I wish that a reserve GS had a different coding in the daily trip coverage than a regular line holding GS. They really are two different animals.

I'm a gut with two PD's due to acknowledging trips contractually and not SD ually. My rep today told me the loa is a plus for us. He gave no specifics. I trust him and hope they are right.

It's funny how in one post you can chastise me in one post for posting a conclusory opinion, but yet you have no problem doing the exact same thing in your response.

Consistency doesn't appear to be one of your strengths.

Thanks for you attempted lesson on venue. Where did you learn it?

+1

One other thing I think would decrease safety is CDO, stand ups, high speeds etc. I bring this up because my gut says we gave this away. Guys don't get the rest needed before doing these type of trips, whether they like them or not. "Some guys like them" is the response I received when talking to my reps about it = most likely done deal. We shall see but my experience with them is usually unsafe. You count on rest that you may or may not get. People who choose to fly them want to maximize their time (side business, other obligations etc.) show up already tired from a days work counting on at least 6 hrs behind the door that may not happen. When it doesn't happen, it is usually due to wx, mtc, creating more fatigue. In this situation you are legal but a walking zombie.

Hey Perry Mason, it might be a violation of ALPA policy. Why don't you wait for the machinery to do it's thing before spouting off about things you obviously know NOTHING about?