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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1719801)
I guess we can't use which the websters dictionary recognizes as real words. Maybe we should all just use words out of the urban dictionary. Yo?
Would I call your kid or sibling retarded? Hell no, that would be boorish and cruel and pretty low class. But for you to tell me not to use a word in a totally different context is tyrannical. You seek to control my speech and eventually my thought. It's a classic tactic of the Left and our country is the worse for it. Parents of college age children, check out your school's speech codes. You'd be surprised how draconian they are. OBTW, I have a close relative with a Downs Syndrome adult child. I'll probably get banned for this rant but it just struck a chord. Oh, well, this place is boring anyway. |
For those of you who think the NFL means No Fun League turn on Fox Sports 1. Theres a barn burner going on. UTSA in their 4th year of existence is beating Arizona and the vaunted PAC 10. Don't know if it will stand but it's a good game.
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When doing an online scheduled deadhead, how does one go about requesting an upgrade to first? On my last two deadheads have watched nonrevs get in first while I am back in the middle seat. I was told when you go on Delta.com to change your seat, there is a place there to get on the upgrade list. The Deadhead Tips on DeltaNet don't address this, of course! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Lifereserver
(Post 1719872)
When doing an online scheduled deadhead, how does one go about requesting an upgrade to first? On my last two deadheads have watched nonrevs get in first while I am back in the middle seat. I was told when you go on Delta.com to change your seat, there is a place there to get on the upgrade list. The Deadhead Tips on DeltaNet don't address this, of course! Thanks!
Why we have to "Add our name" is beyond me. As far as the upgrade is concerned, the kiosk should ask you if you'd like to standby for upgrade when you check-in at the airport. You should have elevated priority for the upgrade. If you're on an ocean-crossing, you are guaranteed a business-class seat and don't have to do any of this. |
Originally Posted by Lifereserver
(Post 1719872)
When doing an online scheduled deadhead, how does one go about requesting an upgrade to first? On my last two deadheads have watched nonrevs get in first while I am back in the middle seat. I was told when you go on Delta.com to change your seat, there is a place there to get on the upgrade list. The Deadhead Tips on DeltaNet don't address this, of course! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1719679)
As I understand it, the reps heard from a number of pilots who were against CDOs. Just as they did not hear specifically from pilots who were in favor of 5:15 or restoring the A330 bunk, I have to imagine that they did not hear from pilots who supported CDOs (assuming that such pilots exist).
But here they are again on the survey, and it's the hallmark of the highly effective Moak political machine we still have here. They don't mind at all losing this initially by the great unwashed throwing their weight around. This time they'll just show up in the TA knowing full well that few pilots will vote an otherwise acceptable TA down because of the inclusion of CDO's. When they want something, they never ever stop trying.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1719679)
The only way to accurately and fairly gauge the feeling of pilot group as a whole on the subject is via a system-wide survey.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1719903)
Not what I've read and heard. My reps and other reps described it as an avalanche of emails and voicemails against CDO's. Angry emails and voicemails. I also heard they got virtually no comments in support of CDO's.
But here they are again on the survey, and it's the hallmark of the highly effective Moak political machine we still have here. They don't mind at all losing this initially by the great unwashed throwing their weight around. This time they'll just show up in the TA knowing full well that few pilots will vote an otherwise acceptable TA down because of the inclusion of CDO's. When they want something, they never ever stop trying. I'll try to remember this post next time the usual suspects here talk about how the 62% C2012 vote was proof of a strong vote of confidence for the TA, Moak, ALPA and the entire MEC and it's processes. Carl That said, SDPs, with very strict restrictions (very limited block time allowed, no reduction in scheduled time at the hotel--ever, for any reason) might (emphasis on might) be acceptable. I've flown with North guys who flew them for years and years. That said, I personally don't like the idea, and have been completely happy that in my 17+ years at DAL we have never had them--but I am at least willing to read and listen. At least we are having the conversation--completely unlike earlier. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1719776)
I read C44's e-mail on fb, and the take-away is that the survey includes items that originated in other councils, and were requested by them, which the reps don't seem to endorse at all, i.e. OOBS and CDO's.
If you read between the lines, a bunch of guys sat down, and some guys fought to put in things their councils wanted, and eventually everyone got to make a pitch to the group for their pet concession. I'm totally guessing here, but I imagine we're looking at the product of a dysfunctional process. The important take-away from C44 is that the survey leaves it wide open for special interests to find a different path. It sort of turns the tables on us, after the CDO fiasco, by NOT filtering out items you would never expect your rep to allow in the survey, and having us be responsible for reading the fine print. It's quite democratic, in a way, but it leaves our contract very open to ill-considered concessions. It would work a lot better if we were asked straight questions about whether we want certain items. Basically we're being given the keys to the car. The car might explode if we do something wrong, and the instruction manual isn't very clear on what might make that happen, but here we are. This is clearly the best shot special-interest groups and concession-lovers will have to gut the contract in a very long time. My suggestion would be to do your homework, and read very, very carefully. I would save the survey, and review it a couple of times before submitting. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1719903)
Not what I've read and heard. My reps and other reps described it as an avalanche of emails and voicemails against CDO's. Angry emails and voicemails. I also heard they got virtually no comments in support of CDO's.
But here they are again on the survey, and it's the hallmark of the highly effective Moak political machine we still have here. They don't mind at all losing this initially by the great unwashed throwing their weight around. This time they'll just show up in the TA knowing full well that few pilots will vote an otherwise acceptable TA down because of the inclusion of CDO's. When they want something, they never ever stop trying. I'll try to remember this post next time the usual suspects here talk about how the 62% C2012 vote was the best proof of an accurate and fair reading of the pilot group. Carl I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, and I haven't read all of the posts too closely, but I have a feeling that this is the "end around", to use a football analogy. We will never see the results of this survey. We already know this. DALPA includes this in the survey and they can tell us, like Sailingfun and Karnak have been trying to convince us already, that the majority of pilots actually want CDO'S. That's it, game over. They can't show us any data. "They don't want to tip our hand to management". They can hand CDO's to management on a silver platter, just by virtue of including it in the survey. We will never know how many pilots favor them, but by reading this board occasionally, I would guess 85-90% of our pilots would be against them. Now Sailing, Karnak, or Slowplay are going to tell me only 5-10% of pilots read these boards and even less actually engage in the debate, but I think that is almost enough of a sample size to say overall, we are against CDO's. My money says they are included in the next contract, on the exact premise I just stated. |
Satchip.... close your eyes for a second.
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