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Scoop 07-14-2014 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1683717)
In 2019 we will conservatively retire 500 pilots.

Ultra conservatively each retirement will result in 6 initial training events in the waterfall.

Imagine 3000 initial training events in 12 months. The amount of seniority list instructors. The amount of additional pilots to do the line flying.

Now flash to 2022 when over 1000 pilots will retire. 6000 initials.

Agreeing to pay banding will, IMO, slow our progression a full 2 years. Where we would need 200 captains in a category, with pay banding now we will only require 170. Imagine this across the system.

Think of this sales job as a magician. You watch his hand while he shows you the good stuff. The other hand is on your wallet.

Pay attention and get involved. The insiders can only win again if we play dead.

Jerry



I am also against pay banding but why all the angst? At the council 16 meeting it was said that pay banding has never come up.

Is there a feeling that the company will try to get us to accept pay banding this time around?

Scoop

tsquared030 07-14-2014 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 1683751)
Looks like A330 NEO just became a reality. I hope we get some of these airplanes.

I was interested to see that the first deliveries are set for 4Q2017.

T

Check Essential 07-14-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1683769)
I am also against pay banding but why all the angst? At the council 16 meeting it was said that pay banding has never come up.

Is there a feeling that the company will try to get us to accept pay banding this time around?

Scoop

Either pay banding or much longer category freezes. Or both.

Training costs are going to be a big area where mgmt will want relief.

Hmm... I wonder.. "What are they willing to give up for that?"

FL370 07-14-2014 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1683717)

Pay attention and get involved. The insiders can only win again if we play dead.

Jerry

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

hockeypilot44 07-14-2014 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 1683764)
Just a heads up, I had my new roller bag with uniform, hat and dirty laundry stolen from the ATL bag room. CP says it was the third one reported last week.
I had the orange 2014 tag, and other name tags on it.
CP says that in an other theft, the thieves removed all the tags and switched the contents into another bag after stealing an I pad.....

I find it hard to believe that fellow pilots are stealing from each other. Someone else is probably sneaking in there. I guess I put us up on a pedestal. We make enough money that we don't need to steal.

NERD 07-14-2014 07:19 AM

atl88a's good for backdoor'n

Denny Crane 07-14-2014 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1683799)
I find it hard to believe that fellow pilots are stealing from each other. Someone else is probably sneaking in there. I guess I put us up on a pedestal. We make enough money that we don't need to steal.

Keep that feeling until you are proven wrong. There are a lot of other employees that transit the pilot lounge on a daily basis. IMO, leaving things in the lounge overnight is asking for trouble. I believe we had this problem a few years ago... I thought they put cameras in the area. Years ago I had a hat disappear....

Denny

Check Essential 07-14-2014 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1683799)
I find it hard to believe that fellow pilots are stealing from each other. Someone else is probably sneaking in there. I guess I put us up on a pedestal. We make enough money that we don't need to steal.

I don't think its a pilot. There are lots of people in and out of there.
Didn't they put in some cameras last time we had a wave of thefts?
Hopefully the chief pilot has some video of whoever is doing this.

gzsg 07-14-2014 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1683769)
I am also against pay banding but why all the angst? At the council 16 meeting it was said that pay banding has never come up.

Is there a feeling that the company will try to get us to accept pay banding this time around?

Scoop

Scoop

Hoping I am wrong, but hearing it from many reliable sources.

Remember your reps are the last to know. Many will whine, but the admin on full time flight pay loss that have been there for years, put these back door deals together.

New RA goals, 50% reduction in training costs and 5 year freezes.

No concessions necessary.

Jerry

satchip 07-14-2014 07:31 AM

Ever been in that room after midnight? It's ramper and custodian and a few other groups that I didn't recognize central down there. I've had the pleasure of spending a couple of nights in the black chairs on the commute home.


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