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Herkflyr 07-22-2014 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1689686)
SD memo. No gray area. Company unilaterally altered the contract and took hostages.


And this is one of "our" "union" guys. Good times.



Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

You know you just seem unable to engage in reasonable debate.

But if you want to play that game, how about this...you have no more concept of what it takes to work for the pilot group via union work and doing your best to advance the pilots' collective good than a toddler has of nuclear physics--however you DO know what it feels like to get a perverse adrenaline rush from juvenile keyboard insults.

That said, you are correct about the SD memo--it was a blatant violation of the contract. In fact I was shocked when I first read it because it was so blatant and in our face--actually quite unlike how DL management has behaved in the past.

Having actually done union work in the past--keyboard missiles don't count, by the way--I can tell you unequivocally that in my personal experience the company did not willfully violate the contract. Violations did occur, usually due to schedulers hastily piecing together some trip coverage, or an automation error. In fact we had to fight the company for three months when a computer automation error resulted in a senior pilot getting overlooked for a trip that he should have gotten. Then, even though the software hiccup was not malicious, the company THEN dug in their heels and insisted that there was no harm, no foul. After we finally told the company that this was going to a grievance, they paid up and fixed the problem.

In my experience that was the extent of their maliciousness--at worst a willingness to believe that they were right and no violation occurred, even when the evidence was that one did in fact occur.

But other than the SD memo--which was a bad move--the company truly doesn't deliberately violate the contract--at least until now. I acknowledge that we have a lot of NW management types now running the show, and a year or two from now I might be the loudest decrying management's deliberate violations.

GunshipGuy 07-22-2014 08:01 PM

Speaking of union work, I'm curious: Does the person who sends out the council Hotline every Sunday get paid for doing that on Sunday, or is strictly volunteer work without any form of pay?

NuGuy 07-22-2014 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1689718)
Speaking of union work, I'm curious: Does the person who sends out the council Hotline every Sunday get paid for doing that on Sunday, or is strictly volunteer work without any form of pay?

Depends on the Council.

Smaller councils depend on support services from either the ATL office, or from Herndon.

ATL and DTW have LEC offices (with one staff person each, I think), but I'm sure they don't work weekends.

I'd have to guess most reps are fully able to launch a council update themselves. No, it's not paid...reps don't get paid anything extra. Trip drops for meetings, lounge visit week and any official LEC work (like a representation).

Everything else is on their own time. Waxing poetic in updates, phone calls, emails, etc, which is pretty much what %90 of a reps work is. Taking care of the pilots in the council is primary focus.

Nu

sailingfun 07-22-2014 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1689652)
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The excerpts I posted were from the Council 20 chairman that came in an email today.

Carl

Is this the same guy who voted against the Narita agreement and then in public touted it as a outstanding achievement under KR's leadership? That left several people somewhat befuddled!

Scoop 07-22-2014 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1689622)
Wow. That's a huge difference cost wise. How long will it take via Delta Dash?



Delta Dash is positive space so it pretty much goes on the next flight. You have to drop off your shipment a few hours before whatever flight you want it on at the Delta Cargo facility. You also must book your shipment ahead of time but you can do this via phone call. They have a space available option but it was only a few dollars quicker.

Scoop

Scoop 07-22-2014 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Pro Fessional (Post 1689695)
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Thanks - I will check it out.

Scoop

Alan Shore 07-23-2014 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1689714)
Could see doing some of that myself someday if I'm no longer a commuter getting 83 hour lines with 18 days scheduled.

Can't help you with the commute, but I have to think that 5:15 per day means that an 83-hour line will be no more than 15 days come November (unless you wind up with trips that get back 0000-0200).

Alan Shore 07-23-2014 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1689668)
how long do we have to be cured in order to be cured? One year? Or the same 4 years we gave them in the first place?

As I understand it, the cure period is a 3-year period that covers that last two years of the prior measurement period, plus a new year (Year 4). The idea that that we have to do so much flying in the Year 4 that it makes up for any shortfall in the prior two years, such that the 3-year cure period (Years 2-4) is in compliance.

Assuming that to be the case, everything returns to "normal," and the Company is free to fall far enough down in Year 5 that the 3-year period ending in Year 5 is below the required minimum. They must then make up that shortfall in Year 6, and so on.


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1689668)
Also, does TLV count for the AF/KLM JV? What if we milk it for weeks, or months, or quarters….all the while our "JV Partner" does it several times a day, or maybe increases service?

No. the TLV applies only to Delta flying and is measured by position (e.g., 7ER A).

Alan Shore 07-23-2014 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by herkflyr (Post 1689653)
the company does violate the contract at times. I have never seen them once do it deliberately, as in "we know the contract says a, but we are going to do b anyway, and we dare you to file a grievance."

specific examples please.

af/klm jv...

Alan Shore 07-23-2014 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1689619)
If that's the case, why don't we negotiate new scope restrictions for this scope violation? Ie, they have to go beyond just getting back in compliance, but move another x% of flying to Delta metal? Keeps us from putting a dollar figure with it.

I don't know enough about the way Delta's arrangement within the JV works, but I have to imagine that they cannot simply require AF or KLM to stop flying certain routes and let Delta pick them up instead.


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