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scambo1 07-22-2014 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1689653)
I did scheduling committee work at PMDL for several years, and I can tell you that these statement are complete BS. The company does violate the contract at times. I have never seen them once do it deliberately, as in "we know the contract says A, but we are going to do B anyway, and we dare you to file a grievance."

At PMNW that was actually quite common (so I have been told by north guys) but both PMDL and the merged DL does not do that.

Or if you insist on believing it, how about a few specific instances?

I am not talking about a mistake in scheduling or reroute, a computer automation error, or even a strong disagreement between the company and union on just what some "grey area" might or might not mean. I am talking about straight up, "we are knowingly violating the contract and defy you to oppose us."

Specific examples please.

Republic scope violation. Flying non permitted aircraft.

I forget which regional, flying over allowable gross weight.

gloopy 07-22-2014 06:52 PM

Its been almost 4 months, or 1/3 of the "cure period".

How bad out of balance were we on 04-01-2014, and how far out of balance are we now?

For the first 1/3 of the cure period, what (if anything) has the company done to, well, cure it?

IMO we should be getting monthly updates about this exact thing.

By the way, how long do we have to be cured in order to be cured? One year? Or the same 4 years we gave them in the first place?

Also, does TLV count for the AF/KLM JV? What if we milk it for weeks, or months, or quarters….all the while our "JV Partner" does it several times a day, or maybe increases service?

gloopy 07-22-2014 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1689667)
Republic scope violation. Flying non permitted aircraft.

I forget which regional, flying over allowable gross weight.

Don't forget DPJ flying non permitted large "private jets". We rewarded them with another scope carve out to fix a scope violation. Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

scambo1 07-22-2014 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1689668)
Its been almost 4 months, or 1/3 of the "cure period".

How bad out of balance were we on 04-01-2014, and how far out of balance are we now?

For the first 1/3 of the cure period, what (if anything) has the company done to, well, cure it?

IMO we should be getting monthly updates about this exact thing.

By the way, how long do we have to be cured in order to be cured? One year? Or the same 4 years we gave them in the first place?

Also, does TLV count for the AF/KLM JV? What if we milk it for weeks, or months, or quarters….all the while our "JV Partner" does it several times a day, or maybe increases service?

Gloopy,

Sadly, this was a chess vs checkers thing. There, I said it. Anyone with any intellectual honesty knows exactly how this plays out from here.

ACL, seriously man...

Purple Drank 07-22-2014 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1689653)
I am talking about straight up, "we are knowingly violating the contract and defy you to oppose us."

Specific examples please.

SD memo. No gray area. Company unilaterally altered the contract and took hostages.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1689653)
I have never seen them once do it deliberately, as in "we know the contract says A, but we are going to do B anyway, and we dare you to file a grievance."

And this is one of "our" "union" guys. Good times.


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1689653)
the merged DL does not do that.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Herkflyr 07-22-2014 07:14 PM

Well... you are correct there! That still burns me up.

Make that "I can only think of one specific instance when..."

Hillbilly 07-22-2014 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1689488)
I think this is why we consistently hear, "Volunteer so you can understand the process." i.e. Convince you how to think the right way.

Nah. While I'm sure volunteering is enlightening, I don't buy in to the mind control bunk. I think you hear that all the time because they need more people to get of their asses and do some of the work. If they didn't want people coming in, they wouldn't be asking for new bodies all the time. JMO.

Pro Fessional 07-22-2014 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1689497)
Guys,

What is the best way to ship a bike? I have it all boxed up and received a $130 quote from FDX with the discount but when I got to the FDX store the actual price was $220.

Delta cargo says employees receive a 90% discount - anyone ever use this option? Pros/cons?

How about shipping it as oversize baggage when non-reving?

Thanks - Scoop

Not sure about insurance with Delta Dash, but these offer as much insurance as you need for an expensive bike. They ship with Fedex and UPS. I have used ship bikes.com with good results - much cheaper than our discount. You pay online and print a Fedex shipping label, then drop your bike at any Fedex location.


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GunshipGuy 07-22-2014 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1689558)
I have NEVER intimated that anyone should be silent about his/her opinion. As far as speaking with one voice, it is hard to do sometime with the blackmail of the Caplinger Crowd constantly being used as a threat, dontcha think? But I appreciate your saying that you do not feel entitled. That is all I was asking in all of this kerfuffel.

I don't feel entitled to a job or what comes with it, and feel that a good case needs to be made for why the group deserves what it gets; but I do feel that as part of the pilot group I am entitled to expressing why the GROUP can argue for restoration, or steps toward restoration. Trying to silence dissent to an opinion one does not agree with using the argument that because that someone wasn't personally and directly affected at a moment in time is trying to set them apart from the group. I expect my FO rep to not feel he can't argue for restoration because he has to avoid stepping on the toes of those who would scoff at his not having been personally affected at the time. Agreed?

GunshipGuy 07-22-2014 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1689693)
Nah. While I'm sure volunteering is enlightening, I don't buy in to the mind control bunk. I think you hear that all the time because they need more people to get of their asses and do some of the work. If they didn't want people coming in, they wouldn't be asking for new bodies all the time. JMO.

Yes, there was some hyperbole in my statement, and I agree they truly do want the help because there is a lot of work. But many can't help but feel there's more to it than just the work; some indoctrination as well. Not everyone, mind you; I mean, some of it's just a quick intro then some instruction on how to do job XXX and off you go, with updates as needed (or so I would guess). Could see doing some of that myself someday if I'm no longer a commuter getting 83 hour lines with 18 days scheduled.


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