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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1776527)
There have been TEN (10) regular or Special MEC meetings since the August 2013 Meeting (in SEA)where the Virgin JV topic has been addressed with the negotiators and MEC.
483 days to collect feedback and 10 meetings to provide direction. How many more times do they need to have a meeting to redirect and choose the parameters before making a decision? "Blind trust" would be 10 days to email your rep and one meeting they vote; done. "Trust, but verify" would look a lot more like 483 days of taking input, 10 meetings to give direction, ask questions, get more information, narrow the direction, redirect and let your NC do what you hired them to do! 1. Hide from the MEC the data required to determine whether the percentage share of the flying represents a loss, gain, or neutrality from our current baseline. 2. Negotiate the ability of management to be massively out of compliance during every other year of the agreement as long as they're in compliance every other year. 3. Allow for no penalties whatsoever if the company decides they won't be in compliance every other year. This is the exact same model as C2012. Our negotiators have signed a TA with management that specifically does NOT meet the direction of the MEC and the negotiators are daring the reps to vote it down. This is now the second time this has happened. C2015 will undoubtedly be the third. When will a majority of us ever fix this? When will a majority of us say BULLSHIZNIT to anyone who calls it "Blind Trust" to give members 10 days to read the TA and give input to their reps before the ratification vote? How twisted must one be to refer to that as "Blind Trust?" Carl |
Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 1774473)
As a A-7 guy the only good think about going 1V1 with the F4 was you could see them coming miles away. Still usually got my butt kicked.
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Intellectual rant of the day ...
Why has human progress ground to a halt? ? Michael Hanlon ? Aeon Examines why the rapid progress of 1945 to 1971 does not seem to happen today. Or, as Buzz Aldrin said, "you promised missions to Mars, I got Facebook instead." |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1776527)
There have been TEN (10) regular or Special MEC meetings since the August 2013 Meeting (in SEA)where the Virgin JV topic has been addressed with the negotiators and MEC.
483 days to collect feedback and 10 meetings to provide direction. How many more times do they need to have a meeting to redirect and choose the parameters before making a decision? "Blind trust" would be 10 days to email your rep and one meeting they vote; done. "Trust, but verify" would look a lot more like 483 days of taking input, 10 meetings to give direction, ask questions, get more information, narrow the direction, redirect and let your NC do what you hired them to do! |
So, if SEA opened as a 737 base, does a new category waive seat locks?
And is a new category one of those things that can get you a paid move? |
Originally Posted by Sputnik
(Post 1776617)
So, if SEA opened as a 737 base, does a new category waive seat locks?
And is a new category one of those things that can get you a paid move? |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1776603)
Intellectual rant of the day ...
Why has human progress ground to a halt? ? Michael Hanlon ? Aeon Examines why the rapid progress of 1945 to 1971 does not seem to happen today. Or, as Buzz Aldrin said, "you promised missions to Mars, I got Facebook instead." |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1776527)
There have been TEN (10) regular or Special MEC meetings since the August 2013 Meeting (in SEA)where the Virgin JV topic has been addressed with the negotiators and MEC.
483 days to collect feedback and 10 meetings to provide direction. How many more times do they need to have a meeting to redirect and choose the parameters before making a decision? "Blind trust" would be 10 days to email your rep and one meeting they vote; done. "Trust, but verify" would look a lot more like 483 days of taking input, 10 meetings to give direction, ask questions, get more information, narrow the direction, redirect and let your NC do what you hired them to do! This is the perfect response to those former DPA shills that just choose to hate everything DALPA does, says, doesn't do or doesn't say. It is always the same shrill whine. Everything is "we're doomed". The truth is always something much more benign even if DALPA screws up. A few here have become white noise by choosing to stand outside the arena and shout at the players. Want change so bad? Get involved. Your histrionics change nothing but are irritating. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1776380)
You and I have always had very civil discourse. I have always appreciated that. We might not agree on some things but it has always been a pleasure.
I see your point but I'm not ready to "throw the baby out with the bath water" so to speak. I think there are a lot of good guys on the MEC. If the MEC Admin is doing something the MEC doesn't like, then the MEC needs to take care of that. The true problem we, as a union, have...........is apathy. And I'm just as guilty of it as the next person. We need 12000 members giving 12000 opinions to their reps. Unfortunately my guess is that very few people do this on a regular basis. Anyway, a better union alternative (IMO) has not come forward so we have what we have and need to improve it. Denny You've persuaded me to actually email my rep as opposed to complaining about circumstances after the fact. My concerns are with the vacuity of information provided in this LOA. If it's going to be voted on soon, we have a right as constituents to be informed about all the specifics as to give guidance to our elected representatives. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1776389)
Edward Jones expects their franchisees to tow the party line. If he went off the reservation, even a little, he's done. EJ, IMO, is a hedge fund-ish business. They expect the little people to maneuver the market for them.
Your guy is not supposed to think for himself. If he did, that's a no no. |
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