Can't speak for purple, but a FAR 117 was a grand slam!

Ha! Carl I was just going to post that "Example" quote from 1.P.6. They are definitely out of compliance with the contract as of March 14, 2014. They have a year to get back in to compliance.

I hope this issue is kept separate from the contract 2015 negotiations that are scheduled to begin about the same time...

Denny

Retard.


Retard?


Retard!!!!!

:D

Just kidding Denny.

For management.

A complete and utter total fail for ALPA.

If nothing else, I was excited about hard limit duty days. Common sense says 13 hours is too long considering the lives at stake. Unbelievablely here we are with the same old thing.

I actually think its worse now.

So, you're saying that the company was in compliance with the PWA at the end of the three year measurement period? Yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then all is good and there is no need for the one year cure period.
If the answer is no, then, by definition, a non-compliance exists.
Plain and simple.

I do agree that a grievance would be premature at this point since our contract generously gives the company one year to get back in compliance. Make no mistake though - just because the contract gives them one year to fix the violation does not mean that a "non-compliance" did not exist.

Sadly it will be rolled into C2015. Why? Because it benefits management. (Up 300% to 700% since chapter 11)

I don't always agree with Carl but this is spot on

I agree for the most part. It certainly isn't any better. The above highlight is interesting though. We are in a 24/7 profession. Fatigue is part of the job. I HATE all nighters, but sometimes they are unavoidable. IMHO, they border on unsafe with 2 pilots. I don't care how much you try to rest, the science that I have read says you cannot truly make the shift to backside of the clock on a scant 12 hour period. So along comes legislation that makes it "safer", yet totally ignores the proven science that a 10 minute catnap improves alertness by quite a bit. :rolleyes: If I sleep a normal night, and start work at 9am, I can go 13 hours with little problem. (A caveat to that would be if I am up and down in the weather all day reduces that).

So the question is what would make these fatigue issues safer? Maybe not flying on the backside of the clock at all? How could we do that? Lives at stake or not, it is a fact in our profession that we do what we can to mitigate that fatigue. Some guys can handle it, and some cannot. I bid around allnighters second only to Africa.

And I think it extremely unfair to call this a fail for ALPA. I read the proposed legislation beginning to end, and was shocked when the final document came out. That was done at the bureaucrat bribery level, and I don't believe ALPA had any input at that point. I could be wrong. But I do get a bit incensed when I hear ALPA talk about this as a science backed piece of law. That is laughable imho.

And did you really quote yourself???

Ditto. This mantra should be "stickied" (yes, I know that's not a word) to every D-ALPA communication from now until April 1st, 2015.

I wasn't talking about you, Denny, and I appreciate your respectful attitude. Without going back and rereading a whole bunch of pages, my impression was that some (mainly DALPA insiders) are attempting to take advantage of the legitimate sentiment of wanting civility here and use that to silence those of us who are critical of DALPA. I know in my case, I got one of my posts grossly mischaracterized by someone who I'm sure is plenty smart enough to have comprehended what I wrote and the context in which I wrote it.

Like I said before, if you guys want to limit this thread to rumors, questions, pictures, etc., that's certainly your prerogative. But that is a significant change from what "Any Latest & Greatest about Delta" has been thus far. And if you want to see what effect silencing dissent has on an open, productive discussion, take a look at the current DALPA forum.