Delta cancels all flights to Tel Aviv indefinitely because of rockets near airport.

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Good idea.

Edit: Hey Carl, you watching CNBC too ;-)

Wait, wait wait. I got this one.....

Didn't we do that in C2K? What happened to them?

Lets say we would reconsider that. Who would we use? Who has USAPA and APA used? Oh yeah that's right the same firm that those who are trying to unseat ALPA uses. Any what did USAPA and APA do with them? That's right, fired them. Who have they used for their consulting work since then? Yep. ALPA E&FA.

Reality is, "outside consultants" sounds like a really good idea, but when you realize that most "law firms" that mask themselves as "consultants" who work for corporate america, will not touch labor because it will cut off their true cash flow, your options get really limited. Their are two outside firms and ALPA E&FA that will truly work with labor. We use ALPA and the best firm, others have used the other and then decided to use our services.

Officers of our Association have an affirmative duty to uphold our union's Constitution and Bylaws. Not holding a vote on an Executive Board undermined the democratic foundation of our association. After all, how can you hold your Representatives responsible if there is no record?

If we want that sort of malfeasance to stop, we have to stand up to it. An Executive Board where positions are on the line might not carry the day, but it communicates to every subsequent ALPA President not to lock the Delta MEC out of negotiations with Delta management over issues of Delta flying.

Yes ... I recognize such a vote would have failed. Sometimes you just have to do things because it is the right thing to do to protect and preserve our association. Sometimes you need to be on the record for being honest, even if it is not popular.

Yes ... you were among the very few on the right side of that issue and perhaps the only one who stood up. Without a record you don't get the credit you deserve. The converse is equally true.

... having a record matters.

Quick, make those 747 guys go to 737 school. We're out of pilots. It's half of everything, except brakes, which it has an 8th of and it lands faster ... so you got that going for you.

Yes, she's a pig. But, on the bright side of things, due to her limited performance, you get a lot less radiation exposure. We've got that going for us. Which is nice.

Per T, I wasn't here for 2k so I'm not supposed to have an opinion or voice it. But again, let's discuss what the present is and not go to the old excuse of "well, back when" or "he said this so I said this." Instead, simply look at the possible insight someone from outside the group think could have provided. That and, "You do realize there appear to be some HUGE profits coming the company's way. So I ask again, why are you giving up profit sharing when things are booming?!!!!"

As to only having a handful of options for purely consulting purposes, well, that right there shows the closed mindedness I speak of. I'm not an insider (or outsider) who can provide you with a consultant, but for what we spend on a secretary or two, or a few oil paintings I find it hard to believe another set of eyes for contract language can't be found out there in the U.S.A. But apparently your way is best, which is what ALPA keeps telling us, so case closed. Thanks.

OK everybody, get your defibrillators ready. Carl is right about this... sort of. ACL, you are hiding behind legal technicality. What SHOULD be happening is that the lawyers should have the grievance documentation drawn up, and should file it within 10 seconds of the moment that the company is (legally) out of compliance. They should also let the judge know that this paperwork will be inbound so that he can make a ruling as soon as possible. There need be no study. There need be no debate. There need be no committee meetings after that moment. File it. Immediately.

I suggest a stronger voltage on the defibrillators.

Bose: Ungodly expensive, bulky, worth every penny, plan on hearing when retired.

Forgot to log off, T? :D

Voice all the opinion you want. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and nowhere have I said otherwise. What you don't have a right to is to act all entitled to "restoration".