Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1695912)

Specifically, in October 2000 when the Delta MEC excluded the ASA and Comair pilots' attempt at finding a single carrier status with Delta.

I wrote then that allowing an alter ego was teaching management that a separate airline within the airline was feasible. Separate standards for different divisions within Delta would undermine ALPA's work in safety and quality of life, because if a lower standard was safe at one division, it would be acceptable at mainline eventually. Today, Delta's contract is a lot more like ASA's 1999 contract than it is Delta's contract from the same period. The lower standard has been accepted, just as I wrote that it would.

Management is always looking to reduce costs and increase efficiency. The easiest way to reduce costs is to replace Delta pilots.

Maybe some people are finally beginning to understand what I've been working on for the better part of 15 years now. It is not about recapturing RJ's. This is about controlling the market for labor, top and bottom line. We, as an association, should work to control the Company's entire productive capacity within one MEC.

As you know, our MEC has been excluding players for a long time. We kicked Compass to the curb. We excluded Comair and ASA. Hell, for a minute the NWA MEC even feared we were going to do the same to them.

But, we did the right thing with NWA and we all benefitted from unity.

Our MEC's scope experts have been more inclusive of large aircraft flying, but we still build walls to separate pilots rather than build walls which keep us together. Delta is a large conglomerate and we are an ever shrinking percentage of what is relevant to Delta's productive capacity. Moving forward we have to build inclusive scope. We have to draw the circles so that they include, rather than exclude, or permit.

Originally Posted by pilotjockey (Post 1695898)

what a surprise nrt is becoming more useless everyday and mem is gone oh and thanks for the all those amazing and long lasting 747 freighter and dc9 jobs that nwa brought thats been very helpful for delta pilots. total bull **** that we are parking 4 744s this year but not displacing until 2015 guess we are kissing whale butts now so all you senior premerger delta pilots can enjoy watching your chance at an ae to the 777 or stay senior on it go bye-bye as 744 pilots can displace into them in 2015 instead of having to bid for spots from so it looks like yet again alpo is failing the premerger delta pilots but whoever is in charge up there now is good at protected nwa pilot jobs tho

what in this merger has been good for a midseniority dal pilot
nothing

what has alpo done to protect my career and progression in all this beside cave and kiss managements ass
nothing

at least i can be a nb captain in dtw or msp someday

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1695920)

... and I do not know if means anything, but those smart men who ran for and were elected to our merger committee had already built integration models for Hawaiian pilots.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1695940)

You know Bar, every time you talk about our merger you put your foot in your mouth. The NWA MEC was never worried about being treated like ASA, Comair or Compass. Not for a minute, not for a second.



Carl

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1695960)

Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?

The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).

It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1695960)

Calm it a little,

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1695960)

Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?

g.