Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1695940)

You know Bar, every time you talk about our merger you put your foot in your mouth. The NWA MEC was never worried about being treated like ASA, Comair or Compass. Not for a minute, not for a second.
Carl

Originally Posted by Dave Stevens, writing as NWA MEC Chair 14 April 2008

... the Delta pilot leadership and Northwest management chose a different path. NWA management proposed a traditional merger to Delta management. Then Delta management entered into bilateral negotiations with the representatives of the Delta MEC. The representatives of the Northwest pilots were excluded from the negotiations.

One can only conclude that the Delta pilot leadership and Delta management have made an arrangement to try to disadvantage the Northwest pilots economically and with respect to our seniority. No pilot group is going to put up with this. No amount of money can sustain a carrier which creates this level of discord. This is a recipe for failure. Under these conditions, Northwest Airlines and all the stakeholders, including the pilots, other employees and customers, are better served by a standalone airline. Under these circumstances, it is Northwest’s best option, with its strong international and domestic route structure, a flexible fleet, an order book with fuel-efficient aircraft and the best cash position of any legacy carrier, to remain an independent carrier.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1695960)

Calm it a little, this isn't ALPA or NWA's or Delta's "fault". It's a function of the profitability of the company and world economy. Should we fly money losing planes all over the world "just because we always have"?

The Delta network has been and will continue to change, and its been known for a long time that the 744's were probably next on the chopping block in the WB fleet(constantly talked about how much RA doesn't like 4 engines).

It is odd that they will pull 3 planes of flying in late Sept. but not displace until 2015. I'm sure there is a reason that we aren't seeing.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1695922)

A union's job is to control who flies the airplanes the airline buys.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1696043)

Every day I get something from ALPA to Deny NAI.
I'm thinking we should be more worried how to Deny AF/KLM.

Our jobs are disappearing right now. NAI is in the theoretical future.

Why do I care if its a Norwegian pilot or a French pilot? My job is gone either way.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1695914)

Also, smaller airplanes means more jobs. From a seat standpoint 1 A380 equals how many 73Ns, 320s, 717s?

Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1696047)

I'm a pollyanna, but I think what happened was a significant change in the negotiations for new widebodies in the past two weeks (that the company will soon announce).

If that is the case, it's premature to judge the decision making and the longer term effects on the pilot group without the details of the companies plans to replace the retiring 744s.

Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1696047)

That's what I'm hoping, too. Fingers crossed (again). :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1696047)

That's what I'm hoping, too. Fingers crossed (again). :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1696055)

IMO this is about staffing and not the.world economy. Did the world economy change so drastically in the last 72.hours?

This AE was a dose of reality for management.

Now we will pay the price. Concessions wrapped up with a bow.