Bar your argument makes zero sense. I was at the beginning of my career when I was furloughed. So based on 2003 pay rates I went from 100k a year to zero.

Explain to me again how you and the new hires charted out that you were more affected than the likes of Buzz and I?

Agreed, and thanks...

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That is true.

For the few of us who got into this profession because we really enjoy flying, the fact a 737-900 is the latest and greatest at Delta Air Lines soul crushing.

Driving through Montana yesterday and saw four 737 fuselages strapped to flat cars heading west (migrating?). The rail line was quite close to the river...they seemed to be straining to get in the water.

Thanks for drawing the line of disunity of where you stand apart from me. Maybe ALPA pins for Delta pilots hired post 2006 should have an asterisk.

Why don't you get a dictionary and look up the word "entitled".

Look, I am not drawing any kind of disunity line like you seem to want to claim. But it really bugs me when PD and others come on here and talk about sacrifice and restoration when they were not involved in that time. It's like me saying that I deserve credit for walking the picket line at NWA since they are now at DAL. I wasn't there. You weren't here. If you want to talk about getting pay back to C2K levels + some, fine. I have no problem with that, but don't act like you gave anything, because you didn't. Sorry if that is insulting to you, that's not the intent.

The topic came up in the context of retirement savings.

Either way, take yearly income, less opportunity cost, compounded by whatever rate you believe. (My investment experience has been an overall 9.5 average, but I use 7 for my retirement modeling) To match what my father enjoys from FedEx, plus inlfation, will take me about 4.5 million in producing assets.

Alternatively take the view that new hires know the deal and lost nothing.

I think those who lost the most are those who have not yet been hired due to outsourcing.

Matters not which view you take. My family dealt with more than 7 years of furlough and I do understand your frustration with events. Even more so since your furlough could have been mitigated better than it was. Rather than complaining about J C Lawson, the Delta MEC could have simply negotiated with Delta to hire Delta pilots at Delta's divisions who were rapidly hiring.

Time/Value of money argument? That's mythical around here isn't it? :D I don't agree with your spin, but the concept is sound. But... you must also acknowledge that those yet to be hired have longer to recover than any of us.

True and we have a good Company contribution.

Individual circumstances vary, but I would suggest most be very frugal, save and invest wisely.

T, most are starting at an older age and did not save a lot while at a regional carrier. It takes a lot more effort to save the first million than than does the second. After Delta's contribution I am still sticking a large percentage away into Roth (s), 429 plans and other deals. My ride has a half million or so miles on it & the wife's car is over 150k.

The days of frivolous spending on non producing assets is mostly over for what is left of the US middle class.

Hope nobody thinks I am participating in the "who got screwed the worst" debate around here. It is a dumb discussion. I am looking towards what we need to do for our profession going forward.

Although if Buzz calls me out again I will send 20 bucks to Hillary ' s Presidential Campaign just to spite him.

Who has more to gain (or lose) financially with squandered opportunities at the negotiating table: you, with 12 years; or those of us with decades left?

I'd say the junior guys have a lot at stake, regardless of whether or not you think we rate our own opinions.

But by all means, continue to shout down and squelch anyone who disagrees with you (how did that work over in the Allegiant thread?)

It's a method more befitting a leftist than a self-proclaimed libertarian.

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