Good point.

It is remarkable that a "union" with significant financial resources and legal counsel at its disposal has permitted as much squishy, loophole-ridden language as ALPA has.

Whatever the country's best contract attorney costs, it's a bargain compared to the money and time we've whizzed away with unenforceable or inadequate contract wording.

My question for ALPA:

Are you:
a) wasting our money on substandard legal advice
or
b) ignoring advice from your attorneys in order to give the company an "out?"

I'm not sure which is worse.

The discount when I used it was 75% but only on the express stuff (1 and 2 day stuff) no discount on fedex ground.

**** You Crane! :D

Carl

Did you go to an actual FedEx warehouse? I think(not certain) you need to go to a warehouse facility to get the discount. Anyone know for certain?

That's weak, T. Really weak. I'm assuming throughout your life that you've had some pretty impressive achievements. Maybe athletics, maybe military, maybe academics, etc. Just about anyone who gets to be a pilot at this level (major airline) has. None of us accomplished our goals without defining them and then setting a plan in motion to achieve them. I know you know better than that. You just don't want to admit it because it counters your argument.

Nobody is saying that. It's a straw man you like to use to discredit those with whom you disagree.

A 34% pay cut requires a 51% pay increase to get back to square one. I "want" 51%. I would accept 34% because my expectations have been lowered and because, given the almost impossible situation we've been put into by DALPA going for 10 years acting like we accept bankruptcy as a reset, I'm not sure 51% is doable anymore. I don't even know for sure if 34% is. That's how bad of a hole we have dug for ourselves. I do know for sure that 34% is not doable if we give up from the start and don't even try. (There's that pesky objective again.)

That's been the conventional wisdom. It's definitely DALPA's position. But I don't think it really flies. We are some of the higher paid employees at this company. And there are a lot of us (~12,000?). So our cost to Delta adds up to a big, impressive number. But in the grand scheme of things, as impressive of a number as that is, it's relatively small. At the end of last year, I added up my total cost (including profit sharing, company 401k contributions, etc.) and divided by the number of passengers I estimate I carried. My cost was $2.98 per passenger. A 50% increase to that would be $1.49... about the cost of a large soft drink at McDonald's. Based on that (and the fact that there is more than just me up there), let's say the average cost per passenger for a 50% pay increase for us would be $3.50. (I'm attempting to account for the fact that bigger equipment pays more and international flights have more pilots.) The airlines invented $25 bag fees out of thin air and have no problem collecting them. You don't think they could find a way to net an additional $3.50 per passenger (through increased revenue, decreasing costs in another area, or some combination of both)??

Of course, if they aren't faced with the prospect of having to do that, then they certainly aren't going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts. That's where effective, appropriate representation that's not afraid to advocate for what's right comes into play.

Another straw man there. You always like to come back to this "punching management" idea. There's a difference in being appropriately assertive and standing up for yourself versus wanting to just punch someone because you don't like them or feel they've done you wrong. The idea of restoration is not vindictive. It has nothing to do with that... no matter how much you try to make it seem so. It's just business.

And nobody (certainly not me) is discounting the time value of money. How about the time value of 10 years of draconian pay cuts and loss of significant benefits like the pension? Now there's some serious time value of money!

Time value of money is one of the big reasons why we need to set a high bar with our objective and begin pursuing it aggressively.


Neither was a 32.5% pay CUT on day one, followed by another 14% cut about a year later. I don't care how much the company was losing at the time, that was over the top... completely unreasonable.

The point is that you cannot restore an "unreasonable" cut with a "reasonable" increase. The math just doesn't work that way and you know it. Again, either you are FOR significantly increasing our pay (like you say you are) or you are not. You can't have it both ways.

No, I don't.

And even I am tired of this discussion. I'm never going to change your mind and you're never going to change mine. Hopefully, some of the lurkers and the less partisan folks reading here have benefited one way or the other from this discussion. :)

Dogs and Cats living together! It's coming I tell ya!

Carl

You can get the discount at any FedEx Office (formerly Kinko's). Just need to bring your Delta ID.

Might need to explain to the clerk that you need Delta's employee discount, and are not looking to ship on Delta's corporate account. Also need to waive the signature for delivery.

Deets on Deltanet/Employee Info/Delta Perks. "FedEx" in search bar. Really an excellent discount...overnight for not much more than USPS priority mail.

Don't think so. We get it at our local Fedex/Kinkos all the time, but As someone else posted it's 75% off on 1 or 2 day air only.

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:)

Me too Bar. I hear she's flat broke from those White House years. :cool:

Carl