Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

The topic came up in the context of retirement savings.

Either way, take yearly income, less opportunity cost, compounded by whatever rate you believe. (My investment experience has been an overall 9.5 average, but I use 7 for my retirement modeling) To match what my father enjoys from FedEx, plus inlfation, will take me about 4.5 million in producing assets.

Alternatively take the view that new hires know the deal and lost nothing.

I think those who lost the most are those who have not yet been hired due to outsourcing.

Matters not which view you take. My family dealt with more than 7 years of furlough and I do understand your frustration with events. Even more so since your furlough could have been mitigated better than it was. Rather than complaining about J C Lawson, the Delta MEC could have simply negotiated with Delta to hire Delta pilots at Delta's divisions who were rapidly hiring.

Kind of like Compass? Mesaba wouldn't allow furloughed NWA pilots access to the 76 seaters if scope relief was given (although they were ok with going to new hire positions without coughing up your seniority number). Therefore, the scope relief resulted in the creation of Compass providing jobs to those furloughed plus allowing future flowbacks providing excellent furlough protection we still enjoy today.

GunshipGuy

07-22-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1689317)

Why don't you get a dictionary and look up the word "entitled".

Look, I am not drawing any kind of disunity line like you seem to want to claim. But it really bugs me when PD and others come on here and talk about sacrifice and restoration when they were not involved in that time. It's like me saying that I deserve credit for walking the picket line at NWA since they are now at DAL. I wasn't there. You weren't here. If you want to talk about getting pay back to C2K levels + some, fine. I have no problem with that, but don't act like you gave anything, because you didn't. Sorry if that is insulting to you, that's not the intent.

I don't feel entitled and I don't think you're insulting me. But I do believe that a pilot, regardless of when he or she came on property, should be able to voice their satisfaction or displeasure with what our representatives are seeking (in the form of TAs and PWAs) on our behalf as a pilot group. We are one and should speak as one voice. Limits on what some are allowed to speak to from the group as to what that one voice speaks to, IMO, should not determined by a segment who feels their voice is more important and can silence others because of their time on property. If that were the case our own FO representative for my LEC would have to sit there with his mouth closed and sit on his hands when the topic (restoration) came up between him and my other reps (not that it does).

Carl Spackler

07-22-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1689163)

You miss the point. ALPA does have the data, but the pay data that you have from the internet is just one part of it.

No acl, it is you that is purposely "missing the point." The fact that their compensation data (that is freely available) is "just one part of it" is meaningless. Nobody has ever said their compensation was the entire part. Their other "parts" are available too, but we were talking about compensation.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1689163)

ALPA does have the data, but they had to agree not to publish it to see it.

I didn't have to agree to anything. I just went on to Google. ALPA could have just done that too, but they were looking for a way NOT to put that data into the contract comparisons. They found their excuse by claiming they had to agree not to publish it...in order to see it. Why our union actively looks for reasons to make us look better than we are is a mystery...sort of.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1689163)

ALPA has stated that the data is not as clear as you like to state it to be.

I've not read any such thing. Please post any such statement from ALPA.

Carl

GunshipGuy

07-22-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1689252)

I just cannot imagine why I'm having to say this instead of DALPA. Worse yet, we have an active rep like you purposely mischaracterizing the meaning of the plain written word in a way that favors the company and hurts the jobs of Delta pilots. I would expect that from management, but it's depressing to see this behavior from a rep.

Carl

I think this is why we consistently hear, "Volunteer so you can understand the process." i.e. Convince you how to think the right way.

johnso29

07-22-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1689487)

Carl,

Do you have a link to the earnings info you found? I googled Air France pilot pay, and all I found were links to Air France pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

Thanks

Scoop

07-22-2014 03:01 PM

Shipping a Bicycle

Guys,

What is the best way to ship a bike? I have it all boxed up and received a $130 quote from FDX with the discount but when I got to the FDX store the actual price was $220.

Delta cargo says employees receive a 90% discount - anyone ever use this option? Pros/cons?

How about shipping it as oversize baggage when non-reving?

Thanks - Scoop

Carl Spackler

07-22-2014 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1689195)

Wait, wait wait. I got this one.....

Didn't we do that in C2K? What happened to them?

I wasn't here then. Neither were you. Can you answer your own question...truthfully?

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1689195)

Lets say we would reconsider that. Who would we use? Who has USAPA and APA used? Oh yeah that's right the same firm that those who are trying to unseat ALPA uses.

One of the biggest fallacies around is that only ALPA and Seham are qualified to write labor contract language. The sad truth is that there are many great law firms that could do this. ALPA will only outsource to one firm, and that firm is either incompetent or complicit with airline management to write language that can't be defended. It's a mess.

Carl

Carl Spackler

07-22-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1689208)

OK everybody, get your defibrillators ready. Carl is right about this... sort of. ACL, you are hiding behind legal technicality. What SHOULD be happening is that the lawyers should have the grievance documentation drawn up, and should file it within 10 seconds of the moment that the company is (legally) out of compliance. They should also let the judge know that this paperwork will be inbound so that he can make a ruling as soon as possible. There need be no study. There need be no debate. There need be no committee meetings after that moment. File it. Immediately.

I suggest a stronger voltage on the defibrillators.

http://www.defibrillatorinformation....rillator-2.jpg

I think that's twice now this year you've agreed with me.

I'm tellin ya man, Dogs and Cats living together!!:D

Carl

buzzpat

07-22-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1689497)

Scoop

I've used the discount but I think it only applies at certain FedEx locations. I think I drove down to FedEx at LAX and they gave it to me there. It's been awhile though.

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