Why don't you go thru his posts, and find one where he talks about anything remotely resembling unifying the pilot group.

I'll wait...

This is very true, except when said person had nothing to do with sacrifice made b the rest of the group, and lays claim to that sacrifice like he is "owed" something. Yeah, that makes a huge difference.

Said person has not done that though tsquare. That's your characterization of what he's done. Mine is that he passionately loves this airline and pilot group and wants to see it rule the world. That's exactly what I hope all young people want. The problem is that he doesn't see the current iteration of DALPA as the way to achieve it. Sadly, I agree...but would love to be proven wrong in 2015.

Carl

I get TSquare's point. Still, the new hires lost more than those who held on to a percentage.

It is best to look at current & future trends. Analysis of past contracts should only serve to provide examples of functioning, well understood, language which served operational stresses and a point to examine the origin of contractual failures.

We should not look back 15 years to find our way forward.

That aren't growing..organically
They aren't avoiding hubs (busy airports)..ATL, MSP, DFW, LGA, DCA etc
They Are flying international.
They have labor strife..see FA's and Pilots

Their buisness model has been changing for 5-8 years, and will continue to do so. Their management might mot be as savy as they once were but they aren't dumb. They will adept to this ever changing industry just as we have and others to survive.

Sure Carl, whatever. I can read. You believe what you want to see, and I'll believe what I read.

Now on THAT we agree. Their golden scope is in danger... More specifically what I have been referring to is their continued reluctance to expand their fleet to meet the needs of a more worldly operations. Sorry, but the 737 does have limitations.

Although he, as I, had no active roll in the sacrifices made we both are left wondering what has come of this profession. I know when I firt started flying my goal was a major where life was "good". Even though I wasn't on property when the &hit hit the fan, I was riding the bench watching and praying it wouldn't continue to implode. I along with many (you included) had expectations when we began our careers wether that be USAF or DCI. Those expectations have taken a beating and therefore our desires hopes and dreams were trashed just as those on property...I'm not belittling the sacrifices 1000+ made just trying to shed some light on hy some of us feel cheated Ben though we weren't here quite yet.
Cheers

I was here, but agree with Sinca. Expectations have been demeaned significantly. Whether on the bench or on the payroll this career took enough of a bashing to become a "job."

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a pilot who came post 911 trying to lift up this job, be it with posts, work, rep calls, talking with other pilots, etc. Everyone, and I mean everyone in the pilot seat of a jet has a role in that effort.

T never flew at swa, but he is a well known poster on the swa threads. In that light, he is probably one of the last people that should think current delta pilots aren't allowed to have an opinion on the direction of their company and contract.

Just my observation.

Was I talking about his post? Rhetorical--no, I wasn't--I was addressing yours.

But by your logic it's fine to throw the idea of unity out the window and go with a divided group because of what someone else said? You're the one who's been in ALPA longer, why don't you act like it?