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buzzpat 07-16-2014 07:12 PM

Guys, the rotation survey participation is woefully inadequate. I've been a slacker but just finished it. It take about 10 minutes.

80ktsClamp 07-16-2014 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1685827)
It would not surprise me to see people down bidding for QOL issues with our schedules this tight & FAR 117. It isn't an easy choice, but back, to back, to back, to back coverage awards which mix 4am arrivals with red eyes with 4:30 vans are nearly unflyable.

Let the new hires deal with this crap.

You know what they say... bid what you want and want what you bid. :)

80ktsClamp 07-16-2014 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1685821)
Have an all dark video...the late night DTW to HND...oh boy!

Post it post it!

NuGuy 07-16-2014 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1685615)
Given that they answer to our reps, I don't see bow they have much choice.

Like many things on the board here, this is not exactly accurate:

The vast majority of the Committee Chairmen are appointed by the MEC Chairman. There is no formal nomination process. The reps can make suggestions to the MEC Chair, but that's all they are.

The elected reps only task at this point is confirmation. Confirmation is usually done "bulk style" with all of the confirmations done on one up or down vote.

Individual names can be pulled out of the "bulk list", and can be subjected to a individual confirmation (or discussion), but it involves extra steps. Committee chairs are also subject to recall by the MEC, which would require an agenda item at a meeting, but the MEC Chair can "fire" then at will.

Other committee members have no review by the MEC. They are appointed by the Committee Chairs.

So the more correct way to put it is: the Chairs are responsible to the MEC Chair, who in turn is responsible to the MEC, but there is no direct "chain of command" from the committees to the MEC.

The only exceptions to this are the merger and negotiating committees, all members of which are directly elected by the MEC (which is National ALPA policy, not DALPA policy).

Not all MECs have the same policy. The UAL MEC elects most of their Committee Chairs. Other MECs have variations on a theme.

Nu

iceman49 07-16-2014 07:27 PM

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76drvr 07-16-2014 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1685530)
I don't think so, but it's easy to check. Just look at the Bid Monitor Reports for the months you're interested in. You can see the number of pilots required and in category, by category, position, fleet, and entire system.

July 2012, total pilots required 9, 855. Percent above required 8.3%.

July 2014, total pilots required 10,560, Percent above required 2.9%.

705 more pilots required since C2012 and climbing.

Carl Spackler 07-16-2014 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1685575)
My evidence has already been presented to the pilot group ad nauseum.

PowerPoint slides from the MEC administrators is not proof of anything. It's their story. Management has also stated their story of what C2012 is. Both sides have the actual proof - which is the costing sheets, but neither side will release them.


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1685575)
Where's your proof?

I don't have access to it. I'm asking for it, but the people with the proof won't release it.


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1685575)
Let me guess. Management said it was a cost neutral contract? I guess you believe everything management says?

See above.


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1685575)
Just like how the 737-900ER order was capacity neutral? Is mainline growing?

Unintelligible.

Carl

80ktsClamp 07-16-2014 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1685861)
July 2012, total pilots required 9, 855. Percent above required 8.3%.

July 2014, total pilots required 10,560, Percent above required 2.9%.

705 more pilots required since C2012 and climbing.

All you're doing is alienating people with your mindless political promotion.

I'll agree that some jobs were assisted in creation with C2012, but what is going on now is far bigger than that.

Carl Spackler 07-16-2014 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1685601)
Reps are not necessarily the problem. The entrenched MEC bureaucrats are the guys who won't tolerate dissent or alternate views.


Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1685615)
Given that they answer to our reps, I don't see bow they have much choice.

That's how it's supposed to work Alan, but at DALPA your statement is almost completely incorrect.

Carl

Spudhauler 07-16-2014 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1685827)
It would not surprise me to see people down bidding for QOL issues with our schedules this tight & FAR 117. It isn't an easy choice, but back, to back, to back, to back coverage awards which mix 4am arrivals with red eyes with 4:30 vans are nearly unflyable.

Let the new hires deal with this crap.

How about we get our contract tightened up so none of us has to deal with this crap? No reason to dump on the new hires; sure, sometimes we end up on reserve or fly a red eye, but the garbage you're describing shouldn't happen to anyone.


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