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Purple Drank 09-12-2014 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1725976)
I would hardly call a flight ops base manager management unless were talking about Angie in NY!

Well, apparently she is whatever a FO in the CPO is called. Direct line to upper management.

This situation is troubling.

I've had conversations with my rep that I don't want management to know about.

In any case, we'll know if this would be problematic for pilots by the number management and/or DALPA types here who downplay the risk of this situation (see sailing fun's post above).

GogglesPisano 09-12-2014 02:13 PM

Personally I think they should offer an ER package and target anyone hired prior to '07. Who's with me?

RonRicco 09-12-2014 02:16 PM

Ok, I see some irony in the post above, (2 posts) but I will wait for someone else to point it out. Bueller? Bueller?

qball 09-12-2014 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1725999)
Personally I think they should offer an ER package and target anyone hired prior to '07. Who's with me?

It should target ONLY '07 hires. Remember...everyone hates them.

buzzpat 09-12-2014 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1726004)
It should target ONLY '07 hires. Remember...everyone hates them.

Let's target 73N FOs hired in '01 while we're at it!

iaflyer 09-12-2014 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1725993)
Far more important would be the impact on category block hours if we allow a micro base if how the company wants it staffed is true. The model they want is identical to the flight attendant mini bases. A micro base is simply not cost effective under the current contract. You would have to carry far to many reserves. If you did not need reserves now it's a new ball game. Start talking to your reps.

That's exactly what I thought it would be modeled after.

The FA AFPs have no reserve coverage from what I understand. If you get sick, you have to find your own replacement.

I don't see pilots going for that though. But I could see a pilot microbase having no reserves on their own and having written into the contract DHs on both ends of the trip.

Pros for the company is having no reserve coverage needed for that micro-base, which on a widebody with 3 and 4 man trips is a lot of reserves that don't fly. Second, they now have 24-36 hours notice of someone calling in sick for a trip (because everything starts with a DH and a hotel), so they can put it out for a WS far before it needs to go to a Res or as GS. You put the reserves on SC in Atlanta and DH them where they are needed in time for the trip.

Pros for the pilots are that all trips start and end with a DH, which is what the commuting widebody guys would love. A con for the pilots, and this is a biiggg one, is that you knock off a larger precentage of the widebody spots because many fewer reserves are needed. I could see a 50% reduction in Reserves needed.

It stagnates the whole list for a long time.

Wilbur Wright 09-12-2014 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1726012)
That's exactly what I thought it would be modeled after.

The FA AFPs have no reserve coverage from what I understand. If you get sick, you have to find your own replacement.

I don't see pilots going for that though. But I could see a pilot microbase having no reserves on their own and having written into the contract DHs on both ends of the trip.

Pros for the company is having no reserve coverage needed for that micro-base, which on a widebody with 3 and 4 man trips is a lot of reserves that don't fly. Second, they now have 24-36 hours notice of someone calling in sick for a trip (because everything starts with a DH and a hotel), so they can put it out for a WS far before it needs to go to a Res or as GS. You put the reserves on SC in Atlanta and DH them where they are needed in time for the trip.

Pros for the pilots are that all trips start and end with a DH, which is what the commuting widebody guys would love. A con for the pilots, and this is a biiggg one, is that you knock off a larger precentage of the widebody spots because many fewer reserves are needed. I could see a 50% reduction in Reserves needed.

It stagnates the whole list for a long time.

I don't get it. If every trip starts/ends with a DH, how is it a micro base? How is that different from what the 330 guys are doing now out of NYC and MSP?

forgot to bid 09-12-2014 03:05 PM

If I was a 744 A I wouldn't take any early out.

contrails 09-12-2014 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright (Post 1726023)
I don't get it. If every trip starts/ends with a DH, how is it a micro base? That's the same thing the 330 guys are doing now out of NYC and MSP.

It sounds like they'd want to save on the DH and rely on pilots commuting in on their own time & dime like a regular base.

i.e. No DH from ATL up to MSP or vice versa when there are people who live there that would do it.

Sounds like very little in it for the pilots.

tsquare 09-12-2014 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1726026)
If I was a 744 A I wouldn't take any early out.


They won't, unless they are within a year. The 777 guys on the other hand would be stupid not to take it.


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