I think that was one of Jesse's originals.

Is this the secret to flying a 737? Eat bananas and never crap?

Please explain. Are you saying that new hires sacrificed more than those that were furloughed because we kept our percentage?

Dude, really, its not that hard.

Yes, I wanna hear that answer as well! Bar, were you going through indoc when I came back from 6 years of furlough?

Simple math; addition and compound interest.

I would not use the word "sacrifice" but if you chart out a career's earnings, as many of us did, the losses and accumulated losses are larger the earlier in one's career that total earnings were reduced.

Further, those who held a percentage obviously have more than those who did not.

Now as to how you and Buzz "feel" ... I dunno.

Certainly our new hires will have opinions about scope, but they were off property when those changes were made. In as much as they have votes, their opinions matter as much as yours or mine.

If you want to say you have a greater sense of entitlement, OK. I got no problem with your feelings, but simple math still adds up the same.

Have you ever met Robert Reich in any of your gigs?

The 737's flight deck is like one of those houses from the middle ages; where you look at 45 inch long beds and ask; where do the feet go? Oh, well then, where does one put their head?

That thing is two gargoyles short of a gothic church.

http://www.picturingeurope.com/gargo...os-400x267.jpg

The Mach Mach Number descent gargoyle

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...63_306x423.jpg

The Coverage Award gargoyle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._-_1347637.jpg

The Advanced Entitlement award gargoyle

In any event, as with the gargoyles, most of us been hanging around in the same position for a long, long, time.

I've been on this board for a lot of years but don't keep up with it all that consistently anymore, so maybe I missed something. But I don't see the discussions taking place the past few days/weeks to be any different than any number of discussions we've had over the past years. It appears to me that a lot of the complaints about this thread the past couple of days are really just an attempt to silence dissent.

If you guys want to turn it into strictly a rumor thread, answer a few questions, post a few pictures, exchange BBQ recipes, etc., then I guess that's fine. It'll be one less thing to occupy a slice of my time... which is probably a good thing. Think about it. I can live with whatever you guys decide.

MD88,

"Dissent" about what our MEC and pilots have already ratified is a waste of time.

There is a distinct difference between dissent and vindictiveness. The DPA's error is that it failed to find that line and stay on the correct side of it.

Not saying that is you ... but we waste a lot of time debating C2012 while our Virgin JV is being negotiated, our Trans-Atlantic JV is in peril and we prepare for C2015.

Yeah, Tim and Scrappy went off the reservation. The MEC ratified the result and the pilots voted yes. If that concerns anyone, then the correct action is to write your Reps.

I disagree. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." If we don't learn from what our MEC and pilots have already ratified, then how do we ever achieve anything going forward that even remotely resembles restoration of our profession and our careers? How do we get our MEC to begin pursuing an objective like that if we don't make it clear that their current course and expectations are unacceptable?

That's not just a DPA problem. That line has been crossed on both sides numerous times. Fortunately, it's not the norm on either side. But it does make a convenient straw man if you (not necessarily you, Bar) are wanting to silence one side or the other.

I don't think it's a waste of time. In terms of JV's, I guess it's a waste of time. I agree JV's are important, but there's more to C2015 than just JV's. If you're unconcerned with restoring our pay, then I guess "debating C2012" is a waste of time. Obviously, I don't think it's a waste of time. Again, we need to be learning from our mistakes not repeating them.

That by itself wouldn't satisfy me but it would be a good start. Guys like Tim, Scrappy, "Alfa," slowplay," etc. are the antithesis of what I think we should be working to achieve. Their strategic plan and mindset has set us back years and set us up to make it impossible to recover the lost value of our careers. That's my opinion. I guess that sort of opinion is viewed as confrontational, over the top, and out of bounds here on APC now?