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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1775723)
There is no reason on earth why the final language of proposed amendments to our contract should be debated and ratified in secret.
The rank and file Delta pilots deserve more respect than that. Publish the LOA. One council bucked the MEC administration and sent the LOA out to every member in that council. Two other councils are sending it to you if you email them a request to see it. Most councils are following the orders of the MEC administration and not letting their members see it until after it passes. All 4 ATL council reps are behind the administration's orders on this. All four. Even the new guy. Maybe he'll come here and explain this to his electorate who voted for him to change the top-down status quo. Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
Should we follow the established process, or run amok?
We elected our Reps. We have known the VA TA was being worked on for a year and have had ample opportunity to provide input. The Reps directed the negotiators and the negotiators negotiated the language which is being considered by our MEC. We have no reason to believe the MEC is (or has authority to) make post agreement modifications to the language. This isn't a bill in Congress. It is negotiation with management. Do you not trust that your Reps and your MEC, who are all line pilots, fought for more wide body flying? Did you fail to notice Delta's wide body RFP was decided in a way that provides growth just about the same instant an agreement was reached on the TA? I have no idea if any of these facts correlate and outside of a properly small group of people who have access to Delta's strategic business plan, none of us knows. I'd love to have an intelligent debate on the merits of this agreement, but neither of us has the data, yet. The Negotiating Committee will eventually publish a notepad document. Until we read that document there is a lot of factual data we just don't yet have. What we do know is that we elected the best candidates and we all agree on wide body protection and growth. We know that management respects a negotiating team who has the full support of their pilots. The Dude supports his MEC and negotiators. It is in our mutual best interest to empower our MEC. ------------ In other news, if anyone is looking for a good pilot watch, here is a deal: Hamilton Khaki Aviation H64514581 Men's Watch Same movement as the TAG Heuer Aquaracer Chronotimer and a couple of their F1 watches. Hamilton is a Swiss company now, but was the supplier to the US military through WW2 and has a rich history. They bought a Swiss watchmaker and eventually the organization moved. ... anyway, high end thermo-compensated Sapphire watch for low end Seiko money. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1775907)
Break Break
For those shaking their head regarding the skewed analysis of the Ferguson story. CNN, AP, etc have no qualms about stoking the fire with their biased charlatans. The saga of Shawn Parcells, the uncredited forensics ‘expert’ in the Michael Brown case The post notes that by the end of August, Parcells had not only been quoted in numerous media outlets as an authority, he had been erroneously identified as a “forensic pathologist” by CBS, the BBC, the Associated Press, and in at least one article here at The Washington Post. (You can’t be a forensic pathologist without a medical degree.) But the media outlets who continued to give Parcells a platform don’t get off the hook. (And that includes CNN itself.) As the Star article points out, one reason why Parcells became a regular on cable news is that he was one of the few people with inside knowledge who was willing to talk about the case. They were giving Ferguson saturation coverage. He was willing to talk. It was a good fit. Never mind that the guy had no business offering himself up as an expert. Back to your regularly scheduled programing.Carl |
Delta CEO: ATL flights every 45 secs - Video - Business News
oldie but goody, gasp mainline growth with regional shrinkage gasp |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
Should we follow the established process, or run amok?
We elected our Reps. We have known the VA TA was being worked on for a year and have had ample opportunity to provide input. The Reps directed the negotiators and the negotiators negotiated the language which is being considered by our MEC. We have no reason to believe the MEC is (or has authority to) make post agreement modifications to the language. This isn't a bill in Congress. It is negotiation with management. Do you not trust that your Reps and your MEC, who are all line pilots, fought for more wide body flying? Did you fail to notice Delta's wide body RFP was decided in a way that provides growth just about the same instant an agreement was reached on the TA? I have no idea if any of these facts correlate and outside of a properly small group of people who have access to Delta's strategic business plan, none of us knows. I'd love to have an intelligent debate on the merits of this agreement, but neither of us has the data, yet. The Negotiating Committee will eventually publish a notepad document. Until we read that document there is a lot of factual data we just don't yet have. What we do know is that we elected the best candidates and we all agree on wide body protection and growth. We know that management respects a negotiating team who has the full support of their pilots. The Dude supports his MEC and negotiators. It is in our mutual best interest to empower our MEC. ------------ In other news, if anyone is looking for a good pilot watch, here is a deal: Hamilton Khaki Aviation H64514581 Men's Watch Same movement as the TAG Heuer Aquaracer Chronotimer and a couple of their F1 watches. Hamilton is a Swiss company now, but was the supplier to the US military through WW2 and has a rich history. They bought a Swiss watchmaker and eventually the organization moved. ... anyway, high end thermo-compensated Sapphire watch for low end Seiko money. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
Should we follow the established process, or run amok?
There is nothing against "the process" about letting all pilots view the LOA and provide input before it becomes a binding change to our Scope. Running amok? Really? Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
We have no reason to believe the MEC is (or has authority to) make post agreement modifications to the language. This isn't a bill in Congress. It is negotiation with management.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
Do you not trust that your Reps and your MEC, who are all line pilots, fought for more wide body flying?
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1775910)
Did you fail to notice Delta's wide body RFP was decided in a way that provides growth just about the same instant an agreement was reached on the TA.
I guess we've just found out what we had to give up in order to gain the promise of shiny new jets. Carl |
Thanks Carl for keeping us fired up! I encourage everyone to weigh in with your reps to ensure Delta pilots keep/gain widebody flying!
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Originally Posted by marcal
(Post 1774193)
That's a tough one b/c with oil that low a significant people that would normally buy a plane ticket might drive if gas prices are way lower.
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