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I'm not sure that I agree with you--on any of them.

To spare all of us a long editorial, item #2 wouldn't happen, especially if we all voted in favor of an assessment.

If mgmt tried to force #3, what would they state in court? That they have the right to unilaterally alter our contract when they see something that they don't like? While we are at it why don't we just let SD set the payscales as well?

Maybe we should start with number 1, because it is probably a misunderstanding on my part.

Is it not possible that just about every time a reserve trip is assigned that just about every pilot could wait until 3 hours before report to acknowledge and the company would remove them from the trip via PD?

The only other time I can see where a reserve pilots is required to check his schedule is at the end of the last leg of a trip.

Is this not true?

Denny Crane

04-22-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1628361)

Throw in the descriptor "every long call pilot" and I'd say you are exactly right.

Denny

scambo1

04-22-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628354)

Ha! I've worked rolling thunder to near perfection this month. I've been thinking of bidding regular line Shanghai trips in July and then dropping the first day of each then white slipping and dropping the first day until I get about 84 hours (use 7 payback days). Then green slip the whole month...:). The Shanghai trips are always in open time.

Denny

I know a junior 777 guy that somehow manages to do that with great regularity. He is the professor of working the least for the most. He uses a very scientific method to bid reserve off days in his reserve months and wen he bids a line he drops everything then blind whiteslips the trips that pay the most on the first day, drops them with payback days picks them back up, drops them etc. he frequently will whiteslip and drop the same trip twice in one day. Impressive.

Alan Shore

04-22-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628354)

I've been thinking of bidding regular line Shanghai trips in July and then dropping the first day of each then white slipping and dropping the first day until I get about 84 hours (use 7 payback days). Then green slip the whole month.

Why go up to 84? Couldn't you just stop at the premium pay trigger, i.e., the lesser of the ALV or 75?

Alan Shore

04-22-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628319)

Say I have 2 payback days in the bank. I bid a regular line with a 4 day trip that is worth 12 hours on day one. I use one payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) and get paid for the 12 hours.

Unfortunately, this won't work. If you use payback days to drop a trip, the system will automatically use as many payback days as you have, up to the length of the trip.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628319)

Can I white slip that same trip and then use my second payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) again and get paid for it? Thus getting 24 hours for 2 payback days.

See above. You certainly can WS it again and drop it again if you have enough PB days.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628319)

...then green slip over those days?

Yes.

newKnow

04-22-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1628245)

NewK, you seem to be coming down pretty hard on guys who don't want to set the precedent of the company amending the contract via unilateral memo. Why?

I don't think anyone wants to set the precedent of the company being able to amend the contract via a unilateral memo, PD.

I also don't think I'm coming down hard on anyone. But, some tempers are flaring and there's name calling going back and forth. So, I just want to know why certain people are saying what they are saying.

This is definitely an issue worth fighting for and I can see a lot of people are ready.

But, I've learned a long time ago, what's more important than just fighting is winning.

newKnow

04-22-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1628364)

Throw in the descriptor "every long call pilot" and I'd say you are exactly right.

Denny

Thanks Denny! If that's true, hopefully people can see where I'm going with this.

How is everything going? :D

Alan Shore

04-22-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 1627995)

I do believe it was in the last "survey" equal time for equal trips for reserves and line fliers (at least everyone I talked too wanted that) and we see where that went in the last contract.

Yes. Unfortunately, we only got a 4:30 ADG for both regulars and reserves. Hopefully, we'll get the rest in the next deal.

Denny Crane

04-22-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1628377)

Unfortunately, this won't work. If you use payback days to drop a trip, the system will automatically use as many payback days as you have, up to the length of the trip.

See above. You certainly can WS it again and drop it again if you have enough PB days.

Yes.

We'll my friend and protege,:) you and scambo are at odds with this issue. At any rate, I'm probably going to try and do it in July. Let you know how it goes.

Denny

Denny Crane

04-22-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1628367)

Why go up to 84? Couldn't you just stop at the premium pay trigger, i.e., the lesser of the ALV or 75?

If I have to drop the whole trip using pb days, this is what I will do.

Denny

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