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Not saying we should use any capital, but we better find away to eliminate the language that allows outsourcing.

Who knows, maybe someone will invent a "Mr. Fusion" for jet engines. Maybe cheap foreign pilots will become available to fly them. Maybe Sleepy Ed or another high-functioning sociopath will take over for RA and try to re-invent the outsourcing wheel.

Even if the company wants to bring DCI back to mainline, we've got to make sure they can't outsource it in the future. Put the genie back in the bottle!

Completely agree.

LeineLodge

04-16-2014 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1624032)

Some B schedules are coming out the back door.

Which category? I tried a few and no dice. Seems like ours is usually one of the last to get loaded

tsquare

04-16-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 1623993)

The question is: Would use any negotiating capital to bring the 76+ seat flying in house, with Delta pilots flying them?

Why would we? The company needs that feed. If the companies that are now providing it implode due to lack of crew to man them, do you think that a new entrant into the field that would pay and provide even less benefits than either Endeavour or Compass would somehow be able to hire them? So what does that leave? The company would have to figure out a way to provide that feed itself. Checkmate.

Not one thin dime.

tsquare

04-16-2014 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1624015)

9E has scope on a lot of those planes through the bridge agreement signed by ALPA National, and DAL management.

And what value is that scope if the company goes under?

tsquare

04-16-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1624031)

God help me, but you actually said something that I agree with.

Mesabah

04-16-2014 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1624039)

And what value is that scope if the company goes under?

How could we go under? We're making $2 billion+ a year.

slowplay

04-16-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1624057)

How could we go under? We're making $2 billion+ a year.

You might want to review your corporate structure...

Tell me again who owned Comair?

tsquare

04-16-2014 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1624057)

How could we go under? We're making $2 billion+ a year.

Not saying that it is something about to happen right now.... but if this pilot shortage thing is real, management is going to have to increase costs in order to attract quality applicants. That will severely eat into that "profit?". And I highly doubt your profit line is $2 billion. (even if your revenue is $2 billion, your bottom line is no where near that) And even if it were, DAL would probably want to sever the pay for departure contracts, and keep THAT money in house to pay down more debt.

LeineLodge

04-16-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1624057)

How could we go under? We're making $2 billion+ a year.

I see where you're coming from, and was an RJ guy myself, so don't take this the wrong way but...ask Comair.

As long as the flying is not on the mainline list, it is at the mercy of the whipsaw game. It doesn't matter if you're wholly owned or not. It only matters that you can be leveraged ( or thrown away ALS comair). That is the primary value of the various DCI carriers. I have no ill will towards you or any other DCI pilots. However, anyone working for an outsourced carrier is only one chess move away from pain. We need to change that when the opportunity finally presents itself, as it appears it may soon.

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