Basically both your scenarios say the same thing. And I believe even the most ardent Kool Aid drinkers believe that won't fly.

Let it collapse under its' own weight, and we'll negotiate better things.

OK... so what's your theory then?

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you know the more I hear the more I think a collapse, as in painfully obvious schedule fail, will happen before we do TA2015.

I agree.

Management wants something from the government is my theory.

You could say that about just about any airline at one time or another. It has nothing to do with pilots, yet we go to the mat over just this every time there is an integration. This feeds right into management's hands of dividing us--sometimes for decades. Who knows what the financial impact has been for all pilots while the USAir/AWA has worked its way through the system.

I argue the point of the USAir east pilots (which is different from the side of the USAir east pilots), because I find their position the most objective, and not because my wife is one of them. It's really that simple. Her involvement has merely provided the means for insight on my part, the intelligence of which you can all debate once I go into self-banishment at the end of this post.

Stop defining a career involving mismanagement by management, defined as 1 day in a seniority list integration, and which pits pilot against pilot in a knock down/drag out brawl using subjective information during a seniority list integration. The effects are disastrous.

PUBLIC APOLOGY NOTICE!!!

I owe one to NERD, who indeed didn't mention pilots in his initial post. Lack of reading and comprehension on my part led to the subsequent posts. My bad.

Self banishment: start

You are gonna have to be a bit more specific than that, because I do not see what keeping Endeavor or Compass alive is anything that the gubbamint really wants.... Send me a PM if you don't want to talk about it here, but I just don't see it.

The question is: Would use any negotiating capital to bring the 76+ seat flying in house, with Delta pilots flying them?

Look dude, I'll just come out and say it: the East/West thing at airways is preposterous, childish and they make everyone it this industry look bad. Period.

A quick youtube search of the MEC meetings regarding integration point to this fact, oh but there is so much more.

If this is a "management did this to us thing", then why do they still not share jumpseats? have their own equipment and training departments? why will they not talk in shared airport vans? or simply yell at one another if they do?

It speaks to a complete lack of professional decorum and respect. Period. There isn't any dithering here. It was up to the respective groups to deal with one another with at least a passing nod to basic professionalism. When people in the industry talk about the Airways situation with heads shaking back and forth in disbelief and a smidgen of disgust, I assure you it isn't management they are blaming for intractability.