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Klondike Bear 04-16-2014 09:14 AM

Two interesting rumors I heard today.

1st is that RA is considering shutting down Expressjet like he did Comair.

2nd is that the company has offered 2004 rates for FAR 117 relief.

Not sure how true either of these are. I heard them from a buddy who heard them from a jumpseater.

And to all the 88Bs white slipping I really appreciate it. I haven't had a day at home on reserve in a really long time. Heading out to the driving range.

gzsg 04-16-2014 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1624090)
Well now that is the crux of this entire discussion, isn't it? If you cannot fulfill your contract because of crew shortages, then those agreements are in peril. I believe that we kicked Mesa to the curb a few years ago for failure to live up to their end of their agreements. It's supply and demand going forward. We demand a certain level of feed. If you cannot supply it, it will have to come from somewhere. If the pilot shortage is true, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to connect the dots.

Your comments are spot on. All regional contracts include performance. You can't perform the flying due to lack of pilots, the contract is void.

Express jet has 357 RJs 50 seats or less. There is but one way out of their mess.

EdGrimley 04-16-2014 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1624102)
Two interesting rumors I heard today.

1st is that RA is considering shutting down Expressjet like he did Comair.

2nd is that the company has offered 2004 rates for FAR 117 relief.

Not sure how true either of these are. I heard them from a buddy who heard them from a jumpseater.

And to all the 88Bs white slipping I really appreciate it. I haven't had a day at home on reserve in a really long time. Heading out to the driving range.

I thought Expressjet was owned by Skywest, not Delta. Not sure RA could shut them down like he did Comair, but maybe like he did with Mesa who was not meeting contractual performance criteria.

Leroy Smith 04-16-2014 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1624081)
I heard RA is really unhappy with how ExpressJet is run.


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1624102)
Two interesting rumors I heard today.

1st is that RA is considering shutting down Expressjet like he did Comair.

Let me preface by saying that I and most of the other folks on the front lines are really unhappy with how Expressjet is run.

RA cannot "Comair" Expressjet. He can try to "Freedom" us. And while that would be devastating to the ASA side of things, it would not have any effect on the United (north of 2/3 of the total operation) or American CPAs.

Check Essential 04-16-2014 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Leroy Smith (Post 1624125)
RA cannot "Comair" Expressjet. He can try to "Freedom" us. And while that would be devastating to the ASA side of things, it would not have any effect on the United (north of 2/3 of the total operation) or American CPAs.

Except that I'll bet UAL and AMR have the same performance clauses in their contracts.

Ed Harley 04-16-2014 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1624102)
Two interesting rumors I heard today.

1st is that RA is considering shutting down Expressjet like he did Comair.

2nd is that the company has offered 2004 rates for FAR 117 relief.

Not sure how true either of these are. I heard them from a buddy who heard them from a jumpseater.

And to all the 88Bs white slipping I really appreciate it. I haven't had a day at home on reserve in a really long time. Heading out to the driving range.

2004 rates? Aren't those bankruptcy rates?

80ktsClamp 04-16-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1624088)
Well, for at least as long as the bridge agreement exists.

They've already broken that by hiring guys without degrees.

Klondike Bear 04-16-2014 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1624123)
I thought Expressjet was owned by Skywest, not Delta. Not sure RA could shut them down like he did Comair, but maybe like he did with Mesa who was not meeting contractual performance criteria.

You are probably right but I thought we bought ASA when we bought Comair. And I thought ASA became Expressjet.

sinca3 04-16-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1624135)
You are probably right but I thought we bought ASA when we bought Comair. And I thought ASA became Expressjet.

DAL bought ASA appx a year after Comair. ASA was sold to Skywest around 2006. When Skywest bought Express Jet, they merged the two wholly owns together (ASA & Expressjet) into ExpressJet

Klondike Bear 04-16-2014 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1624139)
DAL bought ASA appx a year after Comair. ASA was sold to Skywest around 2006. When Skywest bought Express Jet, they merged the two wholly owns together (ASA & Expressjet) into ExpressJet

Ok Thanks, this is what I get when I try to get out from under my rock. Back under the rock for me!


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