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Justdoinmyjob 04-22-2014 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1628471)
Next month I have two 4 day trips back to back, I reckon its legal but can't find it anywhere in all our 117 literature.
My question is what is the max flight time in a 7 day period, or is that totally out the window now with 117. The only thing I can find are flight time limitations per day based on augmented or not and what time you started.
The way the trips are now I am blocked for 22:41 on the first 4 day then 10:47 for the first 2 days of the next 4 day, therefore 33:28 in a 6 day period.
Legit?
Thx

The 30 or 32 in 7 is no more. You can't exceed 60 FDP hours in any 168 (7 days) rolling consecutive hours.

sailingfun 04-22-2014 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1628471)
Next month I have two 4 day trips back to back, I reckon its legal but can't find it anywhere in all our 117 literature.
My question is what is the max flight time in a 7 day period, or is that totally out the window now with 117. The only thing I can find are flight time limitations per day based on augmented or not and what time you started.
The way the trips are now I am blocked for 22:41 on the first 4 day then 10:47 for the first 2 days of the next 4 day, therefore 33:28 in a 6 day period.
Legit?
Thx

Duty time is now used instead of flight time. You can't exceed 60 hours on duty and you need 30 hours off every 168 hours.

Denny Crane 04-22-2014 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1628473)
There is not a 7 day flight time limitation anymore. There are a duty period limitation now of 60 hours in 168 consecutive.

Other than for the year, the only flight hour limitation I see is the 100 hours in 672 consecutive hours (28 days).

Denny

sinca3 04-22-2014 03:24 PM

Thanks guys...

Purple Drank 04-22-2014 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

exactly.

It amazes me how RA ($20+million per year) and his other multimillionaire execs have the chutzpah to accuse us of being greedy and seeking too much money.

How does that happen? How does DALPA let that happen? Company wants to single us out as being greedy by demanding too much money? Paper the other employee groups (and social media, and traditional media) with some facts and figures on Delta leadership. Let's see who's "greedy." Is it relevant? Like you said...no. I'm happy those guys are well paid. But if we can leverage it to score points and put management on the defensive after they play the class warfare card...so be it.

Why does DALPA take it up the wazoo while management cranks up the psyops? And as someone hinted...the inflatable rat ain't gonna cut it. And for us to hide behind terms like "Quiet professional" in this setting is completely self-defeating.

Sink r8 04-22-2014 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1628572)
exactly.

It amazes me how RA ($20+million per year) and his other multimillionaire execs have the chutzpah to accuse us of being greedy and seeking too much money.

How does that happen? How does DALPA let that happen? Company wants to single us out as being greedy by demanding too much money? Paper the other employee groups (and social media, and traditional media) with some facts and figures on Delta leadership. Let's see who's "greedy."

Why does DALPA take it up the wazoo while management cranks up the psyops? For us to hide behind terms like "Quiet professional" in this setting is completely self-defeating.

Please tell me you have more self-respect and gumption than to be affected by the manner in which Delta cajoles and threatens the other groups?

I think you're smart enough not to want spend resources trying to counter something that's entirely not relevant to us, and that we cannot win.

When it comes to splitting money, we have divergent interests from other groups. It's normal, and it's human nature. Why fight human nature, and get us to convince other groups, with which we compete for resources, to actually want us to make more? Stroking the ego of one group about what another is getting is the easiest play in the book, and Delta's very good at it. So let them play it. It's totally irrelevant to our negotiations.

Purple Drank 04-22-2014 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1628580)

I think you're smart enough not to want spend resources trying to counter something that's entirely not relevant to us, and that we cannot win.

I'm not saying we should expect or strive for other employee groups to want us to get more.

I'm saying, if/when management shines the spotlight on how much more we make than the others (and management will certainly exploit all conceivable media), why not direct the spotlight back at management.

Anyway, it's all academic. DALPA will never play hardball to the extent the company will.

PilotFrog 04-22-2014 06:07 PM

All this talk about reserves acknowledging a trip before or after 10 hrs, what about a regular line holder? When you get a line you get a pop up to acknowledge the trips. Anyway a line holder can acknowledge trip by trip or is it all at once via the pop ep in iCrew? Be crazy if line holders also didn't acknowledge till less than 10 hrs but more than 3.

80ktsClamp 04-22-2014 08:36 PM

Well that was a nice big glass of fail trying to swap out the carryout trip with one trip in this bid period and one trip in the next. (lineholder in both)


LOBO 04-23-2014 03:58 AM

1st QTR
 
444 million pretax profit!!!!

99 million but aside for profit sharing!!!

WOW!!!


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