Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628141)

I think the difference is doing it out of fear or reprisal when you otherwise would be getting uninterrupted rest for up to 9 hours like the long established status quo. Checking or not checking immediately are IAW the PWA, but checking by force and fear because of management threats and an atempted contract rewrite fantasy memo against doing the other 100% legal IAW the contract option is the issue.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1628119)

If APLA offered to pay for the dropped trips, three things would happen:

1.) The reserve system would shut down.

2.) ALPA would go broke.

3.) Delta would take ALPA to court (and win).

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628141)

I think the difference is doing it out of fear or reprisal when you otherwise would be getting uninterrupted rest for up to 9 hours like the long established status quo. Checking or not checking immediately are IAW the PWA, but checking by force and fear because of management threats and an atempted contract rewrite fantasy memo against doing the other 100% legal IAW the contract option is the issue.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1627674)

That means that despite what some on the forum will say pilot contract negotiations are impacted by perceived issues from non contract employees. Even after contract 2012 resulted in significant gains for other employees there was considerable angst. A petition was submitted and almost every employee forum harangued managment for favoring the pilots. I loved one statement in a conference call where we were called "the chosen ones".

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1628119)

If APLA offered to pay for the dropped trips, three things would happen:

1.) The reserve system would shut down.
Then Delta better start negotiating

2.) ALPA would go broke.
it's a loan, not a handout. funded with an assessment, if necessary. There was plenty of money to fight the DPA. I'm pretty sure ALPA will be ok.

3.) Delta would take ALPA to court (and win).
for providing a loan to its members?

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1628128)

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.