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Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1627838)

That sickout was really really stupid. There is a right way and a wrong way to hammer mgmt when appropriate, but that was the wrong way.

So...what is the right way? An inflatable rat? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1627070)

You're also "allowed" to keep your phone on 24/7 and answer every incoming call from CS. What's your point?

The contract spells out in unequivocal language what the minimum acknowledgement time is--3 hours prior to report, not 10, nor any other arbitrary number management may decide to put in a memo. That's the reason we have a contract in the first place, so management can't change the work rules on a whim. Unfortunately, our pathetic "union" has completely abdicated it's fundamental duty---to REPRESENT the pilot group and defend the contract.

The contract also states in unequivocal language in Section 23 S.5

A long call pilot:
a. must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at any time while on-call.
b. must be able to report for an assigned rotation which reports no earlier than 12 hours
from the first attempted contact by Crew Scheduling.

I think this language is part of what adds some ambiguity to the situation. Now before you start to go off on me, let me say that I have the CPRs and PD on my schedule. I've had the call from the CPO to explain what happened. I've had my pay docked because I chose to follow the contract and acknowledge less than 10 but greater than 3 hours prior to report. I am also confident that I'll get my pay back. It's not as black and white or cut and dried as you'd like to make it out to be.

An inflatable rat?

Nice. :)

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1627142)

First of all, why would you check your schedule on your x-day? That was contractually required...

I don't think that's correct. You were not/are not required to check your schedule on your last no-fly day prior to an on-call day. Reference our PWA Section 23 S.1.d.2

S. Reserve Pilots
1. A reserve pilot will:
d. be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU:
2) no later than 0200 base time on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, so as to be able to acknowledge:
a) any assignment no later than three hours before a scheduled report of the
rotation or start of a short call period, or
b) the start of a rest period.

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1627427)

Congratulations, you are now SD's B****. If everyone did what you did, there would be no problem and we could just write our contract in pencil and hand the company an eraser.

You are so angry, relax.... ;) but what is this about? why are you so mad? I actually don't get it, are you mad that he PD'd or that he accepted it last minute? I don't hold a line but I PD reserve days once in awhile so I'm curious what has someone get so mad in response to that comment.

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1627834)

Here is the issue, and complication. The letter of the contract also allows you to acknowledge 12, 15, or even 18 hours out (assuming that is how far in advance scheduling contacted you)--just as it allows you to acknowledge as little as three hours prior.

If scheduling calls you 15 hours out, and you answer the phone and immediately acknowledge, you are following "the letter of the contract" just as much as if you waited until three hours prior.

Frankly, I don't see that as an issue or complication at all. The pilot that acknowledges 15 hours out and accepts a trip is equally in compliance with the PWA as a pilot who acknowledges 3 hours out. One is legal to fly the trip as assigned, and one is not. Both pilots are abiding by the contract, so why should one be penalized?

Forgive me if I'm missing something.

I agree ALPA should be making pilots affected by PDs whole immediately though interest free loans to avoid financial hardship to pilots who choose to fight to uphold our contract while negotiations are underway. The fact that the majority of reserve pilots are choosing to follow the rules set forth by SD's memo over the rules set forth by our PWA shows a lack of faith in the union to make them whole, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1627885)

I'm not sure that's true. I've been loosely following this because I'm on reserve this month and my confusion is from another direction.

I'm not sure if it's because I'm a commuter or a marginally functioning OCD, but I check my schedule a lot. Doesn't matter if it's X days, off days when I have a line whatever.....if I check open time in check my schedule. It's not that I'm living by the SD memo, I just like to know.

I'm sure I'm going to be told I'm a bad person, ALAP apologist or company thug. But honest, I'm just that jerk that started his papers the night they were assigned way back in high school :D

Ferd

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Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1627907)

I'm not sure if it's because I'm a commuter or a marginally functioning OCD, but I check my schedule a lot.

Ferd, there's a huge difference between checking your schedule and acknowledging what's on your schedule. :D Fly the contract.

What council has the next meeting? And is anyone writing a resolution about DALPA paying guys for PDs?

In my experience on reserve in March, they dropped turns until the trip was legal per the PWA and then they posted it on my schedule.

That was just my experience on the pup.