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Great article on a Cathay Pacific 330 that had a double flameout over the South China Sea a few years ago... reminds me of the sweater in the fuel tank story back in the day...

Pilots reveal death-defying ordeal as engines failed on approach to Chek Lap Kok | South China Morning Post

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1627349)

The ONLY reason for whiteslipping under 117 is to make a GS green.

Or maybe people have a terrible home life and want to stay on the road?

There is a "home life" guy at my base, but he "makes too much money" to get divorced, because he's always flying. Think he has 5 days off this month, yuk.

Best check I write each month is too my Ex. ;)

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Originally Posted by 12W20 (Post 1627129)

I waited until I woke up (this as in March). 5 hours prior to report, the trip was taken off my line and I was given a PD. Since then I have acknowledged. I can't afford to have my pay taken via PDs every time!

Congratulations, you are now SD's B****. If everyone did what you did, there would be no problem and we could just write our contract in pencil and hand the company an eraser.

Flamer,
Yes I am. I don't want to be, but are you going to pay my bills when I get PDs on every work day. If so, I will gladly stay home. I have "voluntarily" acknowledged with a gun to my head. Please show me an alternative!

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1627216)

For the record, I do not like these 3 hour turns at outstations like EWR and ORD.

I just don't like them.

Me neither. Of course you can avoid sit length in PBS and PCS. But
a long sit usually means a long duty day, pushing FAR117 limits. I,ve seen lots of 12:30+ scheduled days with a 13 hour max. Saw a 12:53 scheduled four leg domestic... very common. Pilots routinely accepting extended duty days only encourages this scheduling practice.

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Originally Posted by 12W20 (Post 1627432)

Please don't take this the wrong way. A lot of what we call this 'career' comes from sacrifice. Missed paychecks, contingency funds, and Plan B's are a way of life in our line of work. It sucks that you'd be losing pay-hopefully you'd be getting it back via a group grievance. But keep in mind that the responsibility of defending our contract lies with each and every one of us. Sometimes it's all of us together, as in a picket line or even a strike, if it comes to that. Other times it's just us individually. I hope everyone keeps this in mind throughout our careers. Again, I don't know your circumstances and I'm not calling you out...

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1627304)

Unless you can post the data to support your claim, it is nothing but conjecture.

What the contract allows for is to be able to check your schedule, turn your phone OFF (and get some uninterrupted sleep), wake up, check your schedule, and then acknowledge a trip that signs in 3 hours from your wakeup. It's spelled out in the PWA and When Scheduling Calls. According to you, LC pilots should be tied to their phone 24/7 despite the unambiguous language to the contrary.

Your opinion about what a federal court would or would not do is just that-- an opinion.

Different issues. Different circumstances. It's hard to imagine what the irreparable harm would be in this situation. Or that there is a substantial likelihood that the company would prevail on the merits. But even if they did get an injunction, so what?

If you don't recognize the handicap that an injunction has on a labor union then you really should stop while you're only this far behind.

My "data" won't get publishing on an anonymous webboard, but a couple calls to my reps and the scheduling committee cleared it up for me.

If you're mad go see a therapist, if you're interested in negotiating a change to your working conditions then I suggest you leave the emotion at home.

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1627361)

I would venture to guess they are filling up to the G/S trigger.

After the 20th with G#2 going out?

I don't know what life is like at the senior end of the list, but we junior folks are so unstacked upon that we could drop two trips and STILL be over the GS trigger. :eek:

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1627467)

If you don't recognize the handicap that an injunction has on a labor union then you really should stop while you're only this far behind.

To refresh your memory, the injunction at DAL was followed by C2K.

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1627523)

To refresh your memory, the injunction at DAL was followed by C2K.

To refresh your memory, the injunction at AMR was followed by a $55 million judgement and 7 years of no progress in Section 6.