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LeineLodge 04-15-2014 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1623846)
Beer report:

Rebel IPA was on sale tonight (the new Sam Adams brew)... not bad! I've got some torpedo left for comparison. I shall report back hopefully before I reach the point of posting pictures of cats.

Both good choices. You can't go wrong

80ktsClamp 04-15-2014 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1623852)
Both good choices. You can't go wrong

I agree... Sam definitely nailed the west coast taste with the Rebel. I'm actually quite torn.

JungleBus 04-15-2014 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1623555)
May I ask how long ago you were at CP?

6.5 yrs. Was at another regional before that.

JungleBus 04-15-2014 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1623584)
Not happy about the scope tradeoff? C2012 was the first contract to move block hours from DCI to mainline, with mainline fleet expansion as the trigger event, and for a smaller fleet with fewer total seats at DCI.

C2012 moved jobs from DCI to mainline, and you just came onto the property this year, didn't you? Maybe there is a connection in there.

And don't be in a rush to solve management's problems. Let them come to us, with their checkbooks out and a box of new pens. We have a negotiated rate for those regional jets, after all. Let them talk uphill for a change; if qualified pilots become a rare commodity, I am sure that DAL will try to corner the market.

Growth at mainline is always good - at least you got that right.

Hey, I'm not looking to reargue C2012, lord knows we did enough of that in 2012. Buuuut, mgmt did get some more of that shiny long-thin-route 70-76-seat flying people were talking about here within the last day, all for the low low cost of retiring a few more gas-guzzling 50-seaters. I thought it was a bad tradeoff that kept DCI viable for longer than it would be with those 50-seaters, but I didn't have a vote, so what I thought didn't really matter for much. Some DAL pilots agreed with me. About twice as many disagreed. Whatever, water under the bridge. Can we just agree that with DCI on life support again, we don't want to resuscitate in C2015?

Denny Crane 04-15-2014 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1623868)
Hey, I'm not looking to reargue C2012, lord knows we did enough of that in 2012. Buuuut, mgmt did get some more of that shiny long-thin-route 70-76-seat flying people were talking about here within the last day, all for the low low cost of retiring a few more gas-guzzling 50-seaters. I thought it was a bad tradeoff that kept DCI viable for longer than it would be with those 50-seaters, but I didn't have a vote, so what I thought didn't really matter for much. Some DAL pilots agreed with me. About twice as many disagreed. Whatever, water under the bridge. Can we just agree that with DCI on life support again, we don't want to resuscitate in C2015?

I think I'm becoming more like Ts in that I don't want to waste any bargaining credit on small jet scope in the next contract. It looks like it may take care of itself and gradually implode.

Denny

forgot to bid 04-16-2014 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1623880)
I think I'm becoming more like Ts in that I don't want to waste any bargaining credit on small jet scope in the next contract. It looks like it may take care of itself and gradually implode.

Denny

it certainly looks like it will implode.

two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:

a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,

or

b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.

http://xenforo.com/community/data/at...5bd9926732.jpg

i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.

index 04-16-2014 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1623905)
it certainly looks like it will implode.

two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:

a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,

or

b) we are asked to give up something in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.

http://xenforo.com/community/data/at...5bd9926732.jpg

You left out the third (and more likely) option.

Both a and b above.

And DALPA will tell us it's good for us.http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...cons/icon6.gif

Fly4hire 04-16-2014 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by index (Post 1623906)
You left out the third (and more likely) option.

Both a and b above.

And DALPA will tell us it's good for us.http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...cons/icon6.gif

There's nothing to negotiate/give up. We already have pay rates for the E195 and E190/CRJ900 established.

Do you think DAL would have any difficulty attracting qualified candidates and filling classes if these were on the property?

Unfortunately we still have far too much of our feed tied up in these aircraft, and it's a fact a staffing and hiring at the DCI's could have an impact on mainline operational integrity. There is a defined niche for this size aircraft in the yield management formula.

How could DAL now and going forward ensure that feed and control the flexible "right sizing" of aircraft to routes to optimize yield?

Mesabah 04-16-2014 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1623880)
I think I'm becoming more like Ts in that I don't want to waste any bargaining credit on small jet scope in the next contract. It looks like it may take care of itself and gradually implode.

Denny

The implosion is on purpose, since Delta has the full ability to fix the issue with the stroke of a pen. The question then turns to the "why"?

If nothing is done, at Endeavor's current attrition rate, we will cease operations starting in the fall of 2015 to the summer of 2016.

Denny Crane 04-16-2014 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1623905)
it certainly looks like it will implode.

two things (of many I am sure) that could happen:

a) we are asked to give it another lifeline,

or

b) we are asked to give up something big in exchange for a scope recapture that was going to happen anyways.

http://xenforo.com/community/data/at...5bd9926732.jpg

i guess we will just wait and see but if the implosion happens prior to C2015 that would help.

First of all, yes it would be better if they imploded before C2015 but we all know that's not likely to happen.

Secondly, I'm not willing to give up squat so that leaves your B out.

Your A would probably be the most likely. Let's face it, we all know what the pilot group is in general (and it sounds the same as HO). If the company wants to throw enough money at us, you know they will get what they want.

I just don't see how the Regionals are going to be able to staff the aircraft they will have any where near proper levels within the next 5 years or possibly sooner.

Denny


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