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Dash8widget 12-10-2013 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1536602)
DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---

The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:

Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.

Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.


Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.

Works for me! :D
I hope ALPA puts out the above in an "official" email though. Either, way - let the games begin :eek:

bohicagain 12-10-2013 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1536706)
This was very nice to read this morning.

As a soon to be FNG about to be on reserve this stinks.
Company wants it one way while Union disagrees and a probie stuck in the middle

CVG767A 12-10-2013 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1536626)
I am the .00000000001%

Yo, T. I think we have the same kind of phone.

http://pictures.hatsrack.com/Old%20A...s/BagPhone.jpg

georgetg 12-10-2013 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1536602)
DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---

The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:

Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.

Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.


Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.

Excellent response from DALPA Contract Admin...

Me thinks SD is "negotiating in public" with the Reserve obligations letter. I'm not sure that's a good idea...

Cheers
George

Sink r8 12-10-2013 07:32 AM

Bohica,

Be quiet, FNG! :)

It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.

So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.

bohicagain 12-10-2013 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1536732)
Bohica,

Be quiet, FNG! :)

It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.

So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.

I agree I will suck it up.
The contract letter is spot on. I was head of Compass contract a couple of years ago and have seen a change in the interpretation of the Contract affect everyeone including FNG guy who is just happy to be there goes along with said change without any question. I just would not want any company using the excuse the new guys are ok with it and complying why aren't the rest.

I will go back in my FNG hole and come out when I'm a just a FG

tsquare 12-10-2013 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1536726)
Yo, T. I think we have the same kind of phone.

http://pictures.hatsrack.com/Old%20A...s/BagPhone.jpg


And all this time I thought I was alone. All my FOs look at me funny when I rapidly turn the crank to get a dial tone. That ^^^^ brings a tear to my eye...

Check Essential 12-10-2013 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 1536725)
As a soon to be FNG about to be on reserve this stinks.
Company wants it one way while Union disagrees and a probie stuck in the middle

Welcome to the Delta pilot group. Don't worry too much about this little dust-up. Concentrate on the simulator and your IOE.

Here's my advice. (worth exactly what you paid for it) --

If management refuses to negotiate this dispute then there are likely to be some hostages taken.
Don't be one of them.

I would not press to test while on probation. You do not have full contractual protection. You are the one group that should probably comply with whatever Flt Ops tells you to do.

Denny Crane 12-10-2013 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 1536743)
I agree I will suck it up.
The contract letter is spot on. I was head of Compass contract a couple of years ago and have seen a change in the interpretation of the Contract affect everyeone including FNG guy who is just happy to be there goes along with said change without any question. I just would not want any company using the excuse the new guys are ok with it and complying why aren't the rest.

I will go back in my FNG hole and come out when I'm a just a FG


Sounds like you are coming over in January? With indoc, training, and toe, I would suspect you won't hit the line until some time in March or April. My guess is this issue will be resolved by then or, at the least, there will be some firm guidance on it.

Denny

bohicagain 12-10-2013 07:57 AM

Thanks for the advice. Not worried to much I am just ready to get started.
Now I am just debating whether or not to buy my wife a scale she wants for Christmas or is it a setup to get into trouble


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