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Irrelevant. Guys DO answer their phone, or their kids do... get grabbed in the jetway.... or whatever. Not all, but some. I see no difference in asking to fly a GS or accepting an IA when you KNOW it is skeds on the phone. It doesn't matter. You are pressuring one pilot to forego his contractual right while rewarding another for doing the same thing.

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Not disagreeing with you at all. I can only tell you from a furloughed pilots perspective there is a difference. Thats why I proposed the 75 hour hard cap if I were king for a day. THoughts on that?

boog123

12-11-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1537484)

I'm also curious: If 2.6billion pre tax

is it (10% of 2.5 Billion) + (20% of .1Billion)?

Or 20% of 2.6 Billion?

250 mil + 20 mil = 270 mil

or 520 million????

That's a big difference.

The fact that you do not know is truly discouraging. Did you actually read the TA?

Dorfman

12-11-2013 07:42 AM

edit….due to Herkflyr post edit

slowplay

12-11-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1537524)

So how would that look for a new hire? Not premerger DAL or NWA

It would look like 15%.

Herkflyr

12-11-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1537509)

The problem is GS is an option to fly, a right by the contract but optional none the less. IAs are not, if they get a hold of you, i.e. don't answer your phone.

You are correct. However, the one big difference for the company, is that for regular lineholders, an IA always pays double, even if the pilot didn't fly any other trip for the month (not that that is very likely). A GS only pays double if the pilot manages to exceed the GS threshold with all his other flying for the month.

Herkflyr

12-11-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1537530)

You missed my point. I think the contract should change, via memrat, to a hard cap with guys on furlough. Yes I said if I was king for a day but since that is as likely as Carl and Tsquare agreeing on union representation I think your safe.

I actually agree with you. I had previously deleted my first reply, but apparently not. You are correct--I missed your point re: "with guys on furlough."

tsquare

12-11-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1537526)

There shouldn't be any difference in how you view it. I gu-ar-an-tee that guys will anxiously answer the phone when they see that skeds is calling with an IA. I'll give you another perspective to think about too. When the company furloughs, they know pretty well how long they will need to have guys out. Flying overtime, not flying overtime, doesn't appreciably affect it one way or the other. I would be willing to bet that they look at it from a worst case scenario, that being nobody flies overtime but that is just a guess on my part. As far as a hard cap... sure why not? I think it's mostly a feel good thing, but it wouldn't bother me...

fisherpilot

12-11-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1537531)

It would look like 15%.

Great. Thx

flyallnite

12-11-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537547)

I've learned the hard way to never say 'never', but with the upcoming retirement numbers, I can't envision a realistic scenario short of an apocalypse that would result in Delta furloughing pilots. Don't quote me on that... please!!!:D

badflaps

12-11-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537515)

Not your problem then. And they know that. However... if you flew .75M all the way, and THEN get holding they KNOW that too.... can you justify it? I'm not saying that they will go that route, and I believe it foolish for them to block trips so close to the limit, but they have reams of data on how long it should take to go from point A to point B. Don't you find it amazing that we can fly for 5,6, 12 hours and be within 10 or 15 minutes of the prediction on the flight plan? I certainly do. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

I'm not sure about now, but there used to be a computer printout "Capt. minutes under sked" sent monthly to the CPO.

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