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Vikz09 12-11-2013 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537437)
I know I am going to regret this...

However...

For the sake of the discussion. If you are blocked at... let's say 8:40. And it's VMC all the way across the country. Flight planned at a high Mach number. No delays on taxi out. None on taxi in. The ground crew is waiting for you and blocks you right in. Yet you are 21 minutes late.

Can you justify the reason for being that late?

T

The problem is the company is leaving no wiggle room for the, what if. You know as well as I do, that Murphy's Law seems to apply to aviation on a daily basis. How about the numerous times you are asked to turn 30 right for spacing. I have flown into BOS on a clear day and been told to hold over Norwich when I can see the airport 50 miles ahead. Slow as much as practical as Atlanta is switching airport configuration. I could go on and on. The real issue is if you over block that first leg by the small buffer, your done!

flyallnite 12-11-2013 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537457)
However you want to do it. All I am saying is that when this comes up there is always a backlash against senior guys flying greenslips, yet nobody ever says anything about the cellar dweller that answers his phone and flies IAs to the tune of a hundred fifty hours pay... And to set the record straight, I am a bottom feeder in my category and prolly will be for a long time.....


You could take it to the extreme and say that everyone should bid RLL... at what point does anyone get to make a living? FWIW, I've never flown a GS or an IA. But I don't begrudge those who do... it's in our contract. Furloughs suck, but that's the business. You should know that going in. Plan accordingly. Personally, I'd rather see an overtime pay scheme. Over the years, that would have made me a lot of extra cash, instead of a small percentage of the pilot group with a specific life style (flexible, live in base, esp. a larger base) be able to rake it all in themselves.

Howgozit 12-11-2013 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1537459)
Two questions.

Company just announced pre-tax profit of 2.6B for 2013. Roughly what does that equate to in profit sharing?

Also, how do you find out what hotel for CQ?

Hotel info for CQ will be at the bottom of your monthly schedule.

sailingfun 12-11-2013 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1537462)
T

The problem is the company is leaving no wiggle room for the, what if. You know as well as I do, that Murphy's Law seems to apply to aviation on a daily basis. How about the numerous times you are asked to turn 30 right for spacing. I have flown into BOS on a clear day and been told to hold over Norwich when I can see the airport 50 miles ahead. Slow as much as practical as Atlanta is switching airport configuration. I could go on and on. The real issue is if you over block that first leg by the small buffer, your done!

Rumor has it that the Jan rotations were a mistake and the computer was not programmed with the 30 minute buffer SD stated they would use. I guess we will know for sure when the FEB rotations are posted. Strangly however some JFK trips under 9 hours are still double crewed.

sailingfun 12-11-2013 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Launchpad475 (Post 1537444)
Just a week ago, I was rerouted right at push back on last leg. Last leg of 2 day, SLC based they rerouted me to MEM INTO MY VACATION DAY. Then the next day, sent me to LAS before SLC.

Although at the time I was extremely ****ed, my 10 hour 2 day turned into 30.

I have the same feeling, we have a contract that no one follows. I quoted all the sections about why if was illegal, no one cared.

ALPA rep says it happens nearly everyday.

If the reroute was from your home base after your last leg it was illegal. It does not matter when you were notified. I have refused reroutes like that and never heard a word about it. If you did fly it then you at a minimum are due assignment pay and the vacation day back.

sailingfun 12-11-2013 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537438)
And just something else to add on here... for those of you that are hard over about no overtime flying with guys on furlough, when we negotiate the next section 6, I suggest that we put in a clause that says GSs and IAs with guys on furlough pay straight rates.

Fire away.

Why would you ever do that? It would encourage the company to furlough at least a few pilots any chance they had. They will always get the trips covered. Timbo can attest to the fact that even when undermanned far worse then any pilot hired after 91 has ever seen they will get the trips covered. Double pay is a huge incentive for the company to staff the airline properly. Give it up and we will forever be understaffed.

cni187 12-11-2013 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1537459)
Two questions.

Company just announced pre-tax profit of 2.6B for 2013. Roughly what does that equate to in profit sharing?

Also, how do you find out what hotel for CQ?

I'm also curious: If 2.6billion pre tax

is it (10% of 2.5 Billion) + (20% of .1Billion)?

Or 20% of 2.6 Billion?

250 mil + 20 mil = 270 mil

or 520 million????

That's a big difference.

Herkflyr 12-11-2013 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1537457)
However you want to do it. All I am saying is that when this comes up there is always a backlash against senior guys flying greenslips, yet nobody ever says anything about the cellar dweller that answers his phone and flies IAs to the tune of a hundred fifty hours pay... And to set the record straight, I am a bottom feeder in my category and prolly will be for a long time.....

Part of the problem with pilots having this attitude versus that regarding overtime flying is the unclear coding and ramifications in DBMS.

For example, a "G" means a green slip. If the pilot getting the GS is a regular lineholder, it is fairly straightforward. He is working on his otherwise days off, permanently solves the company's critical staffing need, gets compensated double pay for it, end of story.

However, if the pilot is on reserve (see ATL 320A) the ramifications for the company are completely different. He is flying a GS on his reserve days off, and gets paid for the trip flown above the reserve guarantee...AND gets the days off paid back! He has not permanently solved anything for the company (and good on him), just their problem that day. But since due to the x-day payback he will no longer be available to them on the days he otherwise would have been, now they have yet another problem to solve a few days later.

A reserve GS, though coded "G" in the DBMS daily trip coverage, functions far more like a green slip with conflict (GSWC, coded "C" in daily trip coverage) than a straight green slip. In fact, I have always wondered why the DBMS trip coverage designator wasn't a different letter for GS flown by reserves vice regulars.

tsquare 12-11-2013 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1537481)
Why would you ever do that? It would encourage the company to furlough at least a few pilots any chance they had. They will always get the trips covered. Timbo can attest to the fact that even when undermanned far worse then any pilot hired after 91 has ever seen they will get the trips covered. Double pay is a huge incentive for the company to staff the airline properly. Give it up and we will forever be understaffed.


I'm just saying that whenever there are furloughs, there is always an uproar against senior guys flying GSs while junior guys are flying IAs. IOW, senior guys are being pressured into foregoing their contractual rights while the junior guys take advantage of it. I couldn't care less either way frankly, but I get sick of hearing how the senior guys are keeping furloughees on the street when junior guys are every bit as "responsible".

PilotFrog 12-11-2013 07:16 AM

With the new 117 flight time limits such as 1000 is 365 and 100 in 672 I really think we need to make the 7 SC rolling as well. I hate getting 3-4 in the last week or two of the month only to be hit with another 3 in the first week of the next month.

I do realize there are only 7 SCs in a month if the RSV Guarantee is 75 and over.


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