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FmrFreightDog 12-17-2013 09:00 AM

Going from reserve in December to a line in January. If a reserve assignment at the end of Dec. makes a trip scheduled in January illegal to operate, what's the pay consequences?

The specifics are I have 3 reserve days at the end of dec and 6 days of work starting on the 1st, which violates the 30 in 168 rest rule. I'm hoping they drop a reserve day to comply, but if they fly me and drop part of a January trip am I pay protected in any way?

Bucking Bar 12-17-2013 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1541441)
Going from reserve in December to a line in January. If a reserve assignment at the end of Dec. makes a trip scheduled in January illegal to operate, what's the pay consequences?

The specifics are I have 3 reserve days at the end of dec and 6 days of work starting on the 1st, which violates the 30 in 168 rest rule. I'm hoping they drop a reserve day to comply, but if they fly me and drop part of a January trip am I pay protected in any way?

Does it? I've got plenty of 30 hour rest periods in a hotel. Have you looked at the rotations? I did not think PBS would build you an "illegal" schedule.

I know when you pick up, thus forcing a drop for legality in the following month you lose pay ... but, you did not pick up anything.

shiznit 12-17-2013 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1541128)
My best guess is, that for line holders, it's going to mean working two extra days per month on the domestic narrowbody side. YMMV, but I don't think I'm too far off on that. Could be that the Int'l F/O bid award are going to get even more senior later this year. Hope I'm wrong.

I'm a domestic NB line holder and I have an 79ish hour line with 14 days of work. It's almost exactly what I had all last year.

shiznit 12-17-2013 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1541386)
I did it several times in my Delta career.
Last time was in Jan 2011, but, according to my public math, 687 pilots left Delta without replacement since then, so I don't think dropping the whole line would ever be possible.
We are so much leaner now that reverses will be capped.

All because most of us would rather work a lot more (for a little more in pay) than vote no.
That is exactly what management wanted.
Rant over, sorry!

How many pilots have come back from MIL LV, FUR BYP, and SIC lists in that time frame? How many aircraft (and what type) are/were offline getting mods done?

Remember, the company only cares about the number of pilots available to fly the schedule every month... Not the total number of pilots on the seniority list.

FmrFreightDog 12-17-2013 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1541446)
Does it? I've got plenty of 30 hour rest periods in a hotel. Have you looked at the rotations? I did not think PBS would build you an "illegal" schedule.

I know when you pick up, thus forcing a drop for legality in the following month you lose pay ... but, you did not pick up anything.

Yeah, no 30 hour rest periods. Hoping that when the schedule loads into DBMS the last reserve day gets marked as a rest day.

iaflyer 12-17-2013 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1541457)
Yeah, no 30 hour rest periods. Hoping that when the schedule loads into DBMS the last reserve day gets marked as a rest day.

You may get a 3 day trip that includes a 30 hour layover in it. (I don't know your category, so they might not exist in yours). Scheduling will figure it out - much more likely to have one of your 3 days of reserve be a "rest" day than they do anything with the scheduled trips in Jan.

Beer Man 12-17-2013 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1541372)
Yes. But, I don't think there is nothing we can do this month to affect it. Ie., fly all you want, that money is going on your January 15th check, and won't be a part of the profit sharing calculation.

At least I think that's what I was just told. :D

Ah, I see what you mean. Good point

Purple Drank 12-17-2013 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Beer Man (Post 1541542)
Ah, I see what you mean. Good point

...on the plus side, it will apply to next year's profit sharing! :cool:

sailingfun 12-17-2013 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1541441)
Going from reserve in December to a line in January. If a reserve assignment at the end of Dec. makes a trip scheduled in January illegal to operate, what's the pay consequences?

The specifics are I have 3 reserve days at the end of dec and 6 days of work starting on the 1st, which violates the 30 in 168 rest rule. I'm hoping they drop a reserve day to comply, but if they fly me and drop part of a January trip am I pay protected in any way?

I would encourage everyone to read FAR 117 and the documents put out by DALPA. judging by some posts on here some have not even glanced at the material. One post mentioned the elimination of 30 and 7 allowing back to back 4 day trips as a example. The poster appeared to have no idea that it was replaced with max time on duty weekly.
In the above situation the 30 hour rule may not apply. I don't have my laptop with me but DALPA put out that some rules will not look back into DEC such as 100 in 28 days. I would find that briefing and research it to prevent surprises.

GogglesPisano 12-17-2013 12:47 PM

Looks like the MEC has responded to SD's letter regarding 117 and reserve.

The era of "proactive engagement," may be drawing to a close.


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