Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1529700)

Cavalier,

I am not ignoring anything, I said ALV+15 was a concession. But I repeat, ALV+15 only affects reserves. I agree this affects staffing overall, but only as far as it impacts reserve staffing, or about 15-20% of DAL Pilots. Out of that % how many have been flown to ALV+15? I have no idea but even if is 25% of reserve Pilots ( I think its a lot less) fly to ALV+15 you are talking about a small number of Pilots.

One more thing, reserve staffing requirements are very complicated. Reserves are always short on holidays and weekends and unless they fall in the last week of the month ALV+15 does not really help the company on these days.

On the other hand by making the summer months only 30 days every single DAL Pilot, block holder and reserve, just became 3.3% more productive in our most limiting months.

Now which do you think is a bigger concession? A change that can affect up to about 15-20% of our Pilots, or a change that does affect 100% of our pilots?

ALV+15 is indeed a concession, but I think its minor. Is this really fair to the few guys who do get hosed and fly to ALV+15? No. To them its a PITA and a burden. But if your concern is Pilot staffing, hiring, green slips etc, the 30 day summer months is the 800 lb gorilla in the room. This is a simplification but 11,500 X.033 = 380 less Pilots needed at Delta.

My personal opinion is that since we are making record profits we should not be taking any concessions. I am looking forward to all gains in C2016! Finally, to paraphrase George Orwell:

All concessions blow, but some concessions blow more than others.

Scoop :)

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1529583)

I agree BB. I don't understand how they didn't kick off the AP by pushing that hard on the stick. It doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1529598)

Happy Thanksgiving gang, happy to work with all of you guys.

Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1529705)

We have to get past this "What are you willing to give up for that?" mentality if we are ever truely going to make any gains...

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1529581)

Happy Thanksgiving to my Delta bruddas and sisters.

Eat well and fly safe.

Carl

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1529744)

I should clarify. I want holiday pay. And I don't think we should have to give something up for it. I was simply pointing out that while RAH pilots receive holiday pay, they do not receive CX pay. If I had to choose I'd rather have CX pay. But I want both.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1529534)

Am I the only one that finds this amusing?

SH_T

Can I buy a vowel and solve the puzzle?

I mean, if my elevator controls were frozen, that would probably be my first response. After all if the trim senses a load it could potentially inhibit the main electric trim and that would be a lot of cranking ... the stab trim override switch is a very dusty switch.

But there's quite a lot about that story that makes little sense. I mean the autopilot kicks off in the 737 pretty easily and several triggers, chief among them 207 pounds of control column force, should have done the trick.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1529824)

Has this ever happened on a Douglas Jet? :D

Scoop