It's good to hear that we're competing effectively with United.

They also mentioned the shifting of more capacity to the Atlantic. Our yields there have just started to improve; I hope this doesn't change that.

This is one of the parts that Bar & co are missing when they accuse DPA of "going after" fellow Delta pilots instead of representing them. We still don't know the identities of those involved. As DPA began to investigate this, they were able to track the IP address of the hacking to a single hot spot location and time of day. That narrowed the number of possible suspects. The people involved must have properly realized that if DPA could get that close to them, the FBI would easily be able to take it the rest of the way. So the people involved decided to contact DPA. They did so without identifying themselves. We still don't know who they are or if they're Delta pilots as they claim.

Carl

Also, didn't we pull down SFO-NRT a few months ago? I can't remember for sure, but if so this probably just helps everyone's yield from their respective west coast hubs.

Of course I'm more interested in yield improvements where they don't cost pilot block hours - hopefully that SFO-NRT time was re-allocated somewhere else.

The best thing for all of us that have many years left on our careers is to get as many airline pilots as possible under the same umbrella to improve our standard of living, fight the next threat that comes along, and speak with one voice for our profession. This whole thing is a diversion at time we really can't afford one. Lets get a vote over with if there is going to be one, unify the profession, and move on.

My whole point in bringing up professional standards was not to say that this is specifically a pro stan issue. I'm just saying this could be handled a different way.

Carl, I will concede that IF an individual pilot did this, they need to make it right. It really wasn't funny, and you and I can/should be able to disagree while keeping the gloves on. I think for the most part we all do.

An apology to Tim and an offer to reimburse any lost potential donations would be sufficient in my book. It sounds like (if we can believe the latest CVN Update) the individual in question was attempting to do just that, but Tim demanded a public outing instead. I disagree with that.

I see this as no more than a weak attempt at humor (did you actually see the redirect site? It was vanilla to say the least.) No more than an internet prank call that was quickly hung up on. To be pursuing felony charges against a fellow pilot for some a stupid prank is out of bounds IMO. Apparently Tim needs to go back and re-read his update from last Friday where he calls for us all to take the high road, forgive and forget, etc - maybe Jerry wrote that one and their signals are crossed??

I see maybe 3 possibilities of what happened here:

1. An ALPA secret police committee was created to diabolically re-direct the DPA site for half of a day. This just didn't happen, no more than Tim's insinuation that ALPA is placing malicious computer files on the "Attack Packet" flashdrives.

2. An individual pilot thought it would be funny(ier than it really was) to poke at the DPA. This is the most likely scenario IMO, and is the reason that I think Tim has gone too far by trying to end this guy (or several guy's) career by escalating this so far. If it were a concerted effort by ALPA, the organization, that's one thing, but it wasn't. A moment of poor judgement by an individual pilot requires a different approach.

3. This is a publicity stunt and no hacking/redirecting ever took place. I'm not saying this is the case, but if so, it would probably be the end of DPA.


I've already spent more time rubbernecking this trainwreck than I should have this week. I'm gonna step back and wait to see how this plays out.

Could not agree more. The big question is WHEN will DPA finally admit that they don't have the support to call the vote? If they can, they need to do it. If not, they need to go away.

There's no way in hell that they have 5700 current cards. Even if that were the case, they would need to receive 15.6 renewals every day (5700/365) just to tread water. I just don't see that kind of support. More often than not, guys are like me - they filled out a card 3+ years ago and have never renewed it.

I'd like to see a petition from Delta pilots demanding that Tim either pull the trigger or fold up his tent - by a certain date. January 1st has a nice ring to it, but I'd even be happy with April 2014 (exactly 1 year prior to C2015 openers.) I've been halfway toying with the idea of starting a petition, but don't really know how to validate signatures so it doesn't get accused of being rigged.

I would like to think that if several thousand Delta pilots all signed an ultimatum that Tim would honor it. Unfortunately it would all probably just be an academic exercise, as I don't see this ever really ending until he turns 65. :(

As someone who does a lot of public speaking, this has always been my favorite speech. It was only 271 words in length, and took Lincoln a total of 2 minutes to complete. Ironically, this is one of the lines in the speech: "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here." Lincoln could never have imagined how wrong he was about the most amazing speech ever given.

Carl

That's exactly right. The young man who hacked into Sarah Palin's email account was sentenced to multiple years in prison. It's a FEDERAL crime.

Carl

I agree. I signed a card....and renewed it awhile back. I noticed the last couple months the card count is gone from all the emails. I'm sure that is because it is going backwards as cards expire. If they don't have enough cards by Jan 1 then I doubt they will actually get enough to bring a vote before C2015. In reality, they would need way more than what they need to bring a vote to actually win so I think it's probably time to throw in the towel.

I don't think that's right. According to my old strike contract DC-9 pay went from $159 at signing to $174 in 2001. It was supposed to be a 4 year deal with 3% raises every September. The extension in 2003 got it to $191, but then the bridge agreement in December 2004 took it right back down to $162.