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tsquare 11-19-2013 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1523245)
http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/06/g3-sdqmia-dec12/

Interesting. It appears that the cabotage camel is slowly getting under the tentflap. Now another carrier has fifth freedom type rights...

contrails 11-19-2013 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1523257)
Interesting. It appears that the cabotage camel is slowly getting under the tentflap. Now another carrier has fifth freedom type rights...

Well are they selling the seats between SDQ and MIA or is it a tag-on flight?

georgetg 11-19-2013 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1523257)
Interesting. It appears that the cabotage camel is slowly getting under the tentflap. Now another carrier has fifth freedom type rights...

Yup, three GOL 737 jets sitting there in SDQ last time I was there on the 738, one of them was going to MIA...

Aren't you glad GOL is part owned by Delta? :roll eyes:

Cheers
George

Carl Spackler 11-19-2013 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523095)
Could not agree more. The big question is WHEN will DPA finally admit that they don't have the support to call the vote? If they can, they need to do it. If not, they need to go away.

From what I hear, we're getting very close.


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523095)
There's no way in hell that they have 5700 current cards. Even if that were the case, they would need to receive 15.6 renewals every day (5700/365) just to tread water. I just don't see that kind of support. More often than not, guys are like me - they filled out a card 3+ years ago and have never renewed it.

We have 5,400+ current cards. I know that disappoints you. Sorry.


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523095)
I'd like to see a petition from Delta pilots demanding that Tim either pull the trigger or fold up his tent - by a certain date. January 1st has a nice ring to it, but I'd even be happy with April 2014 (exactly 1 year prior to C2015 openers.) I've been halfway toying with the idea of starting a petition, but don't really know how to validate signatures so it doesn't get accused of being rigged.

Good idea. You should do that. Democracy in action.


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523095)
I would like to think that if several thousand Delta pilots all signed an ultimatum that Tim would honor it. Unfortunately it would all probably just be an academic exercise, as I don't see this ever really ending until he turns 65. :(

I think the DPA leaders would honor it, but I'd circulate a petition to not be pressured by anyone and wait until we were assured of winning. If my petition got more votes than yours, would you honor it?

Carl

Chomeur 11-19-2013 10:55 AM

GOL is actually selling seats from MCO to SDQ. In fact, they sell seats all the way down to Brasil, Sao Paolo, etc. The flights are GOL 737's, not the Atlanta-based code share partner's planes. The future of international flying is already going to the foreign carriers whom have lower costs, whether in hourly crew rates, or ticket is sold in USD$, but the crews are paid in a cheaper local currency, like brasilian reals or chinese RMB.

georgetg 11-19-2013 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1523263)
Well are they selling the seats between SDQ and MIA or is it a tag-on flight?

GOL is using the SDQ "hub" to cross over pax from their SA destinations to their NA destinations, you could call it "self feed"

Its a creative approach to deal with the limitation of using a 737 fleet to do that type of flying.

(too bad they don't have a strong international ally that could help them with the long-haul routes :roll eyes:)

Cheers
George

Carl Spackler 11-19-2013 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523134)
There is a big difference between taking no action on a matter that does not involve a pilot's professional duties and the sort of attempt at malicious prosection the DPA is attempting.

Since you know the law as well as I do, I'm curious as to why you keep attempting this distortion. You're truly embarrassing yourself Bar. Plus you've still refused to answer my previous question to you.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523134)
The DPA leadership is nuts enough to think this leads back to ALPA and there is something they can use for political gain. IMHO, that's the kind of politics (involving the cops) that we don't need. Pilot on pilot prosecution? Given that the DPA may be screwing the pilots' employment (Delta is hiring pilots and needs staffing) the DPA may be unwittingly picking a fight with Delta management. Delta probably does not want pilots going outside the Company to try to get other employees in trouble over a matter of union politics. Management , by law they have to deal with whoever represents the Delta pilots and does not have a dog in that fight, but if people don't come to work, then it becomes a management problem.

You're making Saul Alinsky very proud you little radical you. What a completely embarrassing and emotional tirade.


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523134)
Again, the DPA appears to be making bad decisions based on emotive reaction rather than strategic thought, JMHO.

Again, Bucking Bar displays no shame in knowing Federal law, but refusing to accurately state it in order to prop up a discredited ALPA.

Carl

PilotFrog 11-19-2013 11:13 AM

I thought I saw something about them opening a Santo Domingo base. Their website doesn't have it listed on their map, but you can buy a MCO-SDQ on the website. It is cheaper to fly MCO-JFK-GRU on Delta that it is MCO-SDQ-GRU on GOL so we have that going for us.

GunshipGuy 11-19-2013 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1523161)
Why is it that some people think that every milestone and anniversary in U.S. history is an opportunity to make commentary to score political points? :confused:

I understand that each event involved politicians, but sometimes it's best to appreciate things for what that mean to us as Americans beyond the political sphere.

It's more about how significant anniversaries are a time to reflect on times past. It's natural to compare and contrast the past to the present. In this case it's even more tempting because of how many have come to think of one of the most memorable presidents in our nation's history, which for most is dramatically different from the true essence of the man. Come to your own conclusions as to why this would be a shock to a majority of the population, but Kennedy had more in common with Reagan than he did the current guy. The fact that his party has changed that much since his death along the memories of his political policies being distorted due to the inconvenience of reality are enough to compel some to remark on the subject.

Bucking Bar 11-19-2013 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1523196)
Bar, I'm afraid you are losing me. Your hair-splitting and rationalizing is quite puzzling.

For you to argue alleged felonies should be overlooked/brushed under the rug is mind-boggling.

Purple,

This should be clear among any one of us who are members in a union. A union's job is like the job of your attorney. Your attorney's job is to get you out of trouble. Even if the attorney knows you are guilty as sin, it is their job to advocate for you. We could not trust a union Rep, or attorney, if we feared they would make a judgement call and throw us under the bus. It is better that a member always knows where their union stands.

Every member, every represented pilot, should feel they can be honest with their representatives (and if you're in trouble they can serve you better when they know the truth) and that those representatives will act with the pilot's best interest foremost. That's the definition of a "fiduciary duty" and our union has that duty in favor of it's pilots.

Hope it is clear why the DPA's proposed action bothers me. ... Pilots come to them, confess to an error, and the DPA wants to hang 'em.

If the DPA wanted to score points, this would have been an opportunity to take the moral high ground to state "yes, some enthusiastic ALPA supporters did XXX to our web site. They apologized and we are working with them because first and foremost they are Delta pilots. If you choose our representation we will work for you ... (blah blah)"

I've been a vocal advocate for ALPA. Does this mean if I filed an ASAP for a deviation the DPA would check out my name and reply "FO Bucking deviated from his clearance, thus violating Federal Regulation. We have reported the matter to the FAA and sought appropriate enforcement action."

I don't think that's what you, or anyone, wants.


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