Dunno, but I am suspect of this fire ready aim business.

Saturday (the day it allegedly happened) we get a Go Team email asking for money and that the "content of our site has not been hacked, only where the address takes you" strongly imply malware and says "the ALPA "Special Committee" is clearly responsible" and encourages going off dues check-off and giving money to DPA.

- Definitively states ALPA did it, definitively says Special Committee did it, stongly suggests "malicious content" asks for more money

Sunday (day after) we get another Go Team email asking for money and that "we have defeated the initially successful attempt to redirect our site to a clone site" strongly imply malware again. "The site is secure and functioning properly. Again, our site was not compromised internally." and "The hijacking was simply a redirecting of our URL to a hostile site that asked the reader to support ALPA"

- Definitively states "ALPA stepping up the attack", strongly suggests "malicious content" asks for more money.

Wednesday Go Team email asking for money "DPA is viewing this attack as simply a momentary distraction" and to "take the long view" "especially if fellow Delta Pilots are involved" "there really has been no negative impact on our campaign"

- Now suggests they don't know if it's ALPA or Delta pilots but a post on the other forum says that Caplinger emailed a guy and said it was not DALPA but ALPA "Fine point, but important" and they ask for more money.

Thursday in a status report asking for more money they mention a lawsuit and that they need more money

- no real hacking update just a request for money

Friday in a crew van news "the redirect of our url simply broke the link to our account" and "no data was compromised" and "if it is a Delta Pilot, should we prosecute or forgive or forget?"

Monday (yesterday) claims that someone called Caplinger the exact same day as the last crew van news. DPA then claims that the hack was a social engineering ploy and gained access using personal information while saying you need "considerable technical expertise" to social engineer account access and starts to blame ALPA and the DALPA Special Committee all over again again and then asks for more money.

Summary (DPA) It was really ALPA, then it was really the Special Committee, then it was really ALPA again, but not really DALPA, then it was really a person "claiming to be "pro-ALPA Delta Pilots" and may really have been ALPA again or really the Special Committee again but we don't really know as they only said they were pro-ALPA (but could have been pro-DPA last week or anti-union the week before) and put it all out before we gather any evidence or information but could really do with some money while the FBI figures out if it's a crime to have lost some funds when we already told you the "the redirect of our url simply broke the link to our account" which may have just been an accident as we also told you "The site is secure and functioning properly. Again, our site was not compromised internally" and could we really have some more money again....

I don't know what domain hosting service Caplinger uses, but I'd be asking them for a refund (lack of security) and their help in tracking down the culprit(s) if they really exist and then deciding what to do instead of throwing spaghetti around to see what sticks all the while asking for even more money every other breath and then present the facts.

Would anyone really have noticed if an update hadn't been sent out? Almost no one ever posts on the DPA forums. There's nothing there that isn't emailed to us. It's not like we log in daily to see the latest from the Sol and Jerry show. Much like the new forum it's simply an ALPA bash with zero pro-Delta pilot discussion. It's all negative, anti-ALPA talk. You want in? Show me better. It's easy to criticize, empathize and promise. It's hard to make it happen. I look forward to the "definitive" FBI report that contradicts the rest of these contradictory updates.

New,
Not trying to score any "political points". Just find todays idea of a federal government as intrusive and wrought with political favoritism and featherbedding. One of the Democrats Idols, JFK, would be considered a radical conservative by todays standards.
If I were king for a day, I would institute two time term limits for ANY voted in office from union president to US President and all positions in between. Someone needs to be concerned about the future of the US, and not just getting reelected.
LUV

Thanks for taking the time to post that account. Most of us have no idea what the DPA sends out to those on their list.

By the DPA's standards, ALPA would have a libel case. Of course ALPA is unlikely to do anything of the sort. But a legal distinction could be made between the DPA, as a Corporate Entity, and the pilots who created it. ALPA has a duty to the pilots, but could sue the DPA (if inclined to waste time on the effort).

Guess this is good experience. Previously I had a poor understanding of what it is like to be a pilot at US Air.

It's not the first time they've accused pilots of certain activities and turned them in or run their own sting operations trying to find sleepers. This is on the DPA website in their "news" under the ATL Surge Week Report - Link

Whatever happened to all this stuff staying on the DPA thread?

This too shall pass....

I think we could safely say that both parties have changed and went to the extreme.

Here's one for Carl

Dear Fellow Pilot,



Today, at 10:00 a.m. Eastern Time, voting closed for the Strike Authorization Ballot. Out of 5799 eligible voters, 5590 or 96.40% cast their vote. Of those who voted, a resounding 5295, or 94.72% voted IN FAVOR of providing strike authorization to the Delta MEC.


Over the past several months, I have used every opportunity to express to Delta senior executives that the Delta pilots will not work without a contract. More recently, many of you have availed yourselves of the opportunity to express this same sentiment through your participation in picketing events across the nation, from coast to coast, sometimes on very short notice, and occasionally during inclement weather. Most recently, we successfully exercised our strike capabilities by staging a “Practice Strike” in Atlanta that was attended by hundreds of pilots and received extensive national media coverage. Along the way, we have been left with no choice but to spend considerable time, talent and money building a strike capability unrivaled by any past efforts.


As important as these efforts have been, the results of this ballot will send the strongest message yet that if Delta’s senior executives are successful in their misguided attempt to reject our contract, we will strike. All too often over the past months, management has attempted to mischaracterize the defense of our contract as posturing, gamesmanship and, most recently, saber-rattling. They are wrong. I made this point quite clearly to Delta’s CEO while testifying before the neutral panel in Washington, D.C. At this point, one of my most grave concerns is that Delta’s most senior executives have come to believe their own press releases, and that they may actually believe the sound bites emanating from Frank Lorenzo’s former consultants, now employed by Delta. It is a sad footnote in Delta’s history that in a business where people matter, Delta’s current senior executives have aligned themselves with the flawed and failed tactics of Lorenzo.


As the deadline approaches for the neutral panel to make its decision, time is rapidly running out on the 1113 process. Our goal has not changed. We seek a consensual comprehensive agreement, but we will not be bullied into accepting the overreaching demands currently on the table. We will not capitulate to these demands based on a fear of what may lie ahead. We understand the risks. If our contract is rejected, we will strike.



While there is still time to achieve an agreement, it will require that Delta’s senior executives intervene now and remove the obstacles preventing that from happening.


Thank you for providing your MEC with your strike authorization. The Delta MEC accepts your authorization with a solemn understanding of the responsibility it entails. If Delta’s senior executives are still not convinced of our resolve, their next learning opportunity will become readily apparent should they be successful in rejecting our contract.


Fraternally,
Lee Moak, Chairman Delta MEC

DPA is not yet the union of Delta pilots. DPA has a duty to defend itself from attack as does any entity. When DPA officially represents Delta pilots, then your point becomes valid. As any good little radical, you're desperately trying to convey status and behavior requirements for DPA that are not yet appropriate.

But my question still stands for you Bar. What if I as a strong DPA supporter wanted to move the demise of ALPA along a little faster by hacking into the ALPA national website, then disconnecting the ability to donate to the ALPA PAC? How would ALPA national treat me?

Carl

When ALPA defends itself the DPA calls it an attack. When the DPA attacks, it's only in defense? Got it :eek: