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We don't know who they were because they wouldn't identify themselves. We don't even know if they were Delta pilots as they claimed. So, knowing Federal law as I know you do Bar, what should Tim have done about a call confessing to a Federal crime and asking you to drop the matter? What would you do?

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523365)

If the DPA wanted to score points, this would have been an opportunity to take the moral high ground to state "yes, some enthusiastic ALPA supporters did XXX to our web site. They apologized and we are working with them because first and foremost they are Delta pilots. If you choose our representation we will work for you ... (blah blah)"

We don't know any of that. They could have been members of the Special Committee, or non-pilots.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523365)

I've been a vocal advocate for ALPA. Does this mean if I filed an ASAP for a deviation the DPA would check out my name and reply "FO Bucking deviated from his clearance, thus violating Federal Regulation. We have reported the matter to the FAA and sought appropriate enforcement action."

I don't think that's what you, or anyone, wants.

Silly straw man argument, and you know better. If DPA gets to be the union of record, you'd enjoy all the protections you have now.

Carl

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523373)

By the DPA's standards, ALPA would have a libel case.

Then ALPA should bring it. I'll look forward to that.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523373)

Of course ALPA is unlikely to do anything of the sort.

Because as you well know, ALPA has no case for a libel suit. Plus, DPA would then have discovery rights...that alone would scare ALPA to death.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523373)

But a legal distinction could be made between the DPA, as a Corporate Entity, and the pilots who created it. ALPA has a duty to the pilots, but could sue the DPA (if inclined to waste time on the effort).

I'll be standing by for that. Can't wait!

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523373)

Guess this is good experience. Previously I had a poor understanding of what it is like to be a pilot at US Air.

Hilarious! Anything not ALPA = US Air. Using the Bucking Bar standard of shameless propaganda based disinformation, I'm tempted to say something like: Before my experience at ALPA, I had a poor understanding of what it is like to be in organized crime. ;)

Carl

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523395)

It's not the first time they've accused pilots of certain activities and turned them in or run their own sting operations trying to find sleepers. This is on the DPA website in their "news" under the ATL Surge Week Report - Link

Two side events occurred during the Surge Week that are also noteworthy.

Event 1

First, an ALPA operative was identified attempting to damage DPA during the Surge Week and gain access to confidential DPA information. The suspicion was verified in a sting operation which neutralized the threat without damage to DPA and other operatives were identified in the process. The individual was a “sleeper”, installed into our organization last fall and activated during the Surge Week.

Event 2

Delta management was provided the evidence because the Delta brand was being tarnished and the videos violated Delta's Social Media Policy. Management committed to throwing the “full weight of Delta Air Lines” behind the prosecution of this unprofessional behavior. It is sad that careers may be in jeopardy because individuals can find no better way to respond to DPA assertions.

Translation: Please change the subject to anything else other than the possibility that DALPA funded activists committed a federal crime against the organization that over 5,500 of its pilots support.

Carl

zoomiezombie

11-19-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1523465)

I'm not the one developing a pattern of turning pilots in.

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:19 PM

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GunshipGuy

11-19-2013 02:20 PM

Cool video of Jughead going back in time to get even with some guys who spoke poorly of the 717. Warning, if you didn't like Pulp Fiction do not watch: NSFW.

Now this is how you use a GoPro

Only critique: Should have spent more time on these girls.

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/sa...&sw=640&sh=334

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523458)

When ALPA defends itself the DPA calls it an attack.

No, when ALPA writes letters calling names like "cancer" and "scourge", that's a personal attack...not defending yourself.

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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523458)

When the DPA attacks, it's only in defense? Got it :eek:

No, when DPA attacks, it's an attack. We don't pretend it's something else. But maybe we would if we had guys like you on flight pay loss to spin for us.

Carl

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523469)

I'm not the one developing a pattern of turning pilots in.

It's only a pattern in your mind because your flight pay loss depends on spinning the truth and blaming others for ALPA's mistakes.

I wonder how Kingsley Roberts must be feeling right about now. He tried to defund and tell people that a "Special Committee" was not the way you win hearts and minds. Now there's a distinct possibility that members of the Special Committee could be in serious legal trouble for doing what Roberts was trying to stop.

Ironic.

Carl

zoomiezombie

11-19-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1523478)

But maybe we would if we had guys like you on flight pay loss to spin for us.

Carl

The old "Carl attempts to discredit a poster as an ALPA volunteer on FPL" diversionary tactic and a "we know who you are" attempt at trying to out a poster in public". Go to DBMS and download the pairing I am on and show me the FPL Carl. Show me the FPL.

Carl Spackler

11-19-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523483)

You being on a trip now has nothing to do with being one of the "volunteers" on flight pay loss. It only means you're posting for free today.

Carl

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