I'm only quote myself to start the conversation...

I think DPA has had it's chance - it's been three years. Rather than be divisive going into C2015, I think TC and others should man up and either say they have the cards for an election or they don't. If they haven't been able to get the cards yet, they probably aren't going to.

Going into C2015 with DPA hanging over everyone's head will only make us weaker, divide us when we should be strong, and in the eyes of the company, it makes us look weak and we might end up with a worse contract because of it.

Yes, there are the DPA folks who say if we only could get rid of ALPA we could have an even better contract - but if DPA doesn't have enough cards to call for an election, then they don't have the numbers and it's not going to happen. Sorry - but in that case the pilots have spoken.

Do you think DPA weakened our C2012? Kingsley has trumpeted C2012:

I do wish to get this resolved before C2015. I am for an election sooner rather than later.

Potential Good News
 

From the DALPA boards:

Two positive threads.

First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)

As always - Good news tomorrow :)

Scoop

the announcement on the order was supposed to be last week! just like the hiring was supposed to be a few years ago.

There was hiring a few years ago.

Curiosity question: Anybody here flown both the 777 and A330? From a pilot perspective, would you rather have 10 777's or A330's and why?

This one's for you tsquare!!!!:p

Of course the 777, it pays more!!!!!:eek:

I like the way you think on this subject matter:) The higher pay certainly has to put the 777 in the lead. Tsquare, care to chime in?

Thank goodness no ALPA supporters (or even ALPA itself) is not slinging mud or otherwise engaging in personal attacks.

Don't kid yourself. There is plenty of mud-slinging from both sides.

I haven't flown both, but I had considered going to the 330 for more continental Europe. I have picked many pilots brains on the Boeing to Airbus transition. The Boeing diehards that went to the bus say its a good jet. It does some things better and some worse and doesn't do some things. The general consensus is that after 6 months on the 330, you are perfectly comfortable.

The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.

They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well. Additionally, I think the manning is different in the categories due to 3 man or 4 man crews.

In my case, I'd rather have more 777s, but I have nothing against the airbus.