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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1523003)

So what happened to the benign DPA update that said "The hijacking was simply a redirecting of our URL to a hostile site that asked the reader to support ALPA and may have contained other malicious content."

What happened was that additional information was discovered after the initial report. DPA didn't realize until a few days later that the hacking also disconnected the ability to donate to DPA via a credit card.

So what happened was that all of the damage to the website hadn't been discovered right away. That's why updates are called updates.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1523067)

All things equal, either ALPA tried to sabotage the DPA, or the DPA is trying to generate sympathy for a dwindling cause by creating controversy. Sorry, the DPA's outcry seems trite. Maybe we should wait for the facts to be investigated WITHOUT any rhetoric from either side?

But, Bucking Bar and the other ALPA apologists are blaming DPA for investigating this at all! They blame DPA for this because if there was no DPA, these guys wouldn't have had anything to hack! They blame DPA for even talking about it because any subsequent investigation might harm the hackers!

Carl

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

My whole point in bringing up professional standards was not to say that this is specifically a pro stan issue. I'm just saying this could be handled a different way.

That's incorrect. When DPA realized there was a hacking, they investigated. Certainly no one could disagree that DPA had the right to investigate. During the investigation, the perps must have found out how close DPA was getting to them, so they called DPA. During that call, the unidentified hackers admitted to breaking Federal law. Once you have knowledge of a Federal crime, you are legally obligated to contact law enforcement. If you do not, then you are guilty of conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

The attempt by DPA to get the hackers to publicly apologize and then forgive was understandable on a person to person level, but it would not excuse DPA from the requirement to report knowledge of a Federal crime.

There was NO other choice here folks.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1523134)

There is a big difference between taking no action on a matter that does not involve a pilot's professional duties and the sort of attempt at malicious prosection the DPA is attempting.

Bar, I'm afraid you are losing me. Your hair-splitting and rationalizing is quite puzzling.

For you to argue alleged felonies should be overlooked/brushed under the rug is mind-boggling.

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

Carl, I will concede that IF an individual pilot did this, they need to make it right. It really wasn't funny, and you and I can/should be able to disagree while keeping the gloves on. I think for the most part we all do.

We do here on APC, but the blows are illegally low on the outside. The person(s) who did this will have to do more than "make it right" I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

An apology to Tim and an offer to reimburse any lost potential donations would be sufficient in my book. It sounds like (if we can believe the latest CVN Update) the individual in question was attempting to do just that, but Tim demanded a public outing instead. I disagree with that.

I disagree with that too because it's not legal to do. You can't commit a Federal crime and patch it up between the parties involved. That's because the law views a Federal crime as not between the perp and the victim, but between the perp and the United States.

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

I see this as no more than a weak attempt at humor (did you actually see the redirect site? It was vanilla to say the least.) No more than an internet prank call that was quickly hung up on. To be pursuing felony charges against a fellow pilot for some a stupid prank is out of bounds IMO. Apparently Tim needs to go back and re-read his update from last Friday where he calls for us all to take the high road, forgive and forget, etc - maybe Jerry wrote that one and their signals are crossed??

See above. It was far more than a prank when you commit an Internet crime. Especially one involving restricting the free flow of money. The only hope these guys have now is the hope that the U.S. attorney's office decides to use its prosecutorial discretion to not prosecute.

Carl

Anyone have a good explanation on why I saw a GOL airlines 737 in Orlando over the weekend? I looked on their webpage and they do NOT fly to the US (yet) and i was just wondering what it might be doing there. It was at the gates for US Airways. I thought it might be on its way to maintenance or something, but thought Orlando was an odd stop.

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1523237)

I have seen them here before too and wondered the same thing...

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1523237)

I have seen them here before too and wondered the same thing...

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/06/g3-sdqmia-dec12/

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

I see maybe 3 possibilities of what happened here:

1. An ALPA secret police committee was created to diabolically re-direct the DPA site for half of a day. This just didn't happen, no more than Tim's insinuation that ALPA is placing malicious computer files on the "Attack Packet" flashdrives.

You or I just don't know that yet Leine.

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

2. An individual pilot thought it would be funny(ier than it really was) to poke at the DPA. This is the most likely scenario IMO, and is the reason that I think Tim has gone too far by trying to end this guy (or several guy's) career by escalating this so far. If it were a concerted effort by ALPA, the organization, that's one thing, but it wasn't. A moment of poor judgement by an individual pilot requires a different approach.

Again, you don't know this either. What we do know is that no "different approach" can be taken once there's an admission of Federal law violation.

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1523088)

3. This is a publicity stunt and no hacking/redirecting ever took place. I'm not saying this is the case, but if so, it would probably be the end of DPA.

I don't think it would be the end of DPA, but whoever staged the publicity stunt would go to jail. It's also a Federal crime to turn over information to the FBI that you know to be false.

Carl

United Airlines parent plans $2 billion in cost cuts - chicagotribune.com

This article says United is cancelling SEA-NRT. I know ANA has been increasing service on the route, and with Delta doing SEA-NRT and SEA-HND it seems there isn't room for everyone. Seems like Delta won't have any issues filling the seats now.