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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1522886)
This is EXACTLY what the DPA leadership knew would happen if they moved the investigation forward to the FBI. We knew that none of the ALPA apologists would take a step back and question whether breaking Federal law was appropriate work for the Special Committee. We knew the ALPA apologists would spin it as an outrage that DPA would even investigate the issue since it might harm the HACKER!
Simple question Bar. What if I as a DPA supporter wanted to help my cause along by hacking into ALPA national's website, redirect it to a fake site that denigrated ALPA, then disconnected the funding link to the ALPA PAC. Would you argue to ALPA that they shouldn't investigate it because old Carl might get in legal trouble? The question is rhetorical because there's no possibility you'd defend my actions. Like I've told you many times before, your outrage is fake, selective, and highly partisan. Carl Simple redirect? https://anotherplotdevice.files.word...-acid-burn.jpg |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1522916)
I'm sure it is the top priority of the FBI, they don't have anything else to do.
FBI ? Computer Intrusions |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1522958)
For all of you history buffs out there:
150 years ago today, Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address. Ok. Back to your regularly scheduled food fight. :D "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." The Democratic party would run him out of the house with Boos and hisses and accuse him of being some Tea Party extremist. Sad what has become of our federal government in 50 years!:( |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1522956)
We have lots of pilots screw up much worse than this on a regular basis. I can't ever recall a situation where the pilot was made to publicly confess his sin to the world. My reference to professional standards was my roundabout way of saying there might be a more constructive way to handle it than "accept my demand or I'm turning you over to the FBI." What if the next time Tim decides to call the FAA because one of our pilots had a deviation. In my mine its the same idea. Not saying the individual (if he actually exists) was right and that he shouldn't apologize. I'm just saying Tim was awfully quick to escalate this thing.
All that said, given what I've seen of the crew van news updates recently, I'm skeptical that everything in today's update is squeaky clean. In fact, I'm suspicious that some of it is downright fabricated. Time will tell, but I sense this is shaping up to be another DPA folly. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1522948)
You were never a fence sitter Dorfman. Never. Let's keep it real shall we?
Carl Then the push onto the fence began with the emails like the Chinese abortion reference. Still I thought, one guy who has some anger issues with ALPA is writing those emails, there is still a lot of positive in an independent union. I was willing to give DPA a pass in spite of his emails. I started going to this and the DALPA forum and trying to learn more from both sides. On the ALPA forum I saw cheerleaders on both sides but the DPA guys came from an angrier stand point. JF, SC, GK, and others on that board were often very angry in their posts. I found the debate here much more informative. In fact Carl up until maybe 2 months ago I thought you were one of the most reasonable on both sides, however as of late you have moved into the name calling and angry group. For someone who thought the scourge letter was unprofessional you sure throw out a lot of names at ALPA supporters. I think it hurts the debate rather then helping it. I hope that both sides could put the name calling aside and have a legitimate debate about OUR representation. I moved off the fence towards DALPA because of the angry undertone I see from a lot of the DPA supporters on the forums. Right or wrong they are the face of DPA for most of us. As for your PM, I do not despise you I don't even know you. You and I are both individuals typing on keyboards on an anonymous? web board. Things typed get lost and misinterpreted much more so than in person. If we meet in person at some point first beer is on me. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1522889)
I'm also not impressed that the DPA is pursuing a Delta pilot. Maybe professional standards is a committee that will cease to exist under DPA. Going after one of our own, regardless of the sin, is unacceptable. The ultimatum of going public or else is unnecessary theatrics. Won't surprise me at all if this "hacker" was hatched in the same part of Tampa that brought us the abortion letter. :rolleyes: GMAFB.
This alleged act is not the purview of professional standards. Rather, it is a criminal act. It is appropriate to report it to the relevant authorities. If, a person or persons, hacked this group's accounts and disabled it's donation link causing harm to their legal activities, it is a criminal act. If it proves to be more than one person engaging in this activity, it is a criminal conspiracy. If the same person(s) made subsequent attempts to contact one of the victims, it gets even worse. My point is this, once the phone calls were placed, this goes way beyond a conflict of personalities. If it transpired as alleged, it's criminal. Too bad, someone may have just ruined their life with a really stupid act. They had better get a lawyer and fast. LeineLodge, I'm just line swine. I'm the heart and mind that both groups seek to represent. Let's consider some potential possibilities. If this person or persons who are allegedly willing to commit wire fraud had taken this even further and showed up on a fellow pilot's doorstep to explain things, it could end in a tragedy. Last year, we saw a passionate DALPA defender assault and batter a fellow pilot at a DALPA meeting in Peachtree City. It only ended because cooler heads stepped in to stop it. Professional Standards is for professional activities in the cockpit. Not for union activities. Professional Standards is not for criminal activities. |
Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
(Post 1523037)
So are you saying we have pilots intentionally do acts "much worse" than a felony and DALPA goes to bat for them?
I don't believe DALPA went to bat for them. Does anybody remember? |
Another victory in SEA. Hearing that UA has decided to drop SEA-NRT altogether versus the plan to downgauge to a 787 from a 777. Leaves just us and NK.
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Ruuh Rhoo ..... It will be interesting to identify the perps... This is going to be very interesting. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1522913)
My prediction is that the undecided are face palming right now at the embarrassing spin of trying to blame the victim.
Carl http://i.imgur.com/U3aMdGX.gif All things equal, either ALPA tried to sabotage the DPA, or the DPA is trying to generate sympathy for a dwindling cause by creating controversy. Sorry, the DPA's outcry seems trite. Maybe we should wait for the facts to be investigated WITHOUT any rhetoric from either side? |
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