You're right, but leaving aside the legal argument.

This TA without CDOs probably would have passed with a 90% vote.
(which is another reason memrat was unnecessary)
But leaving that aside as well.

What if every reserve pilot at Delta Air Lines had it in writing that for the next 60 days he would be pay protected if he didn't acknowledge his trips?

Oh, that :)

Questions which were responded to, "oh crap, don't ask that in public." :)

I also would have liked to have seen all CDO's placed into hard lines with company provided hotel in domicile. That would provide an entire month of circadian protections and a dark quiet place to rest with no daily grind city commute or home life distractions for those who wanted to prioritize rest.

There would still be some that found their way into open time for volunteer WS/GS, but pilots would have to choose to fly those. For the rest that went to reserves, I'd like to see additional protection such as increased time to notification as well as a much longer rest period upon release. Like nothing before 10am the following day.

And the 2 hour block limit, extendable to 2:15, was way too long IMO. 1:30 should be the max even with favorable ground times, and maybe 1:45 with absolutely ideal ground times (9:45 on the ground with the perfect airport hotel you can walk to, etc) but 2 hour block with worst case scheduled ground times was just too much as is. Throw in the slightest IROP/MX and it goes ugly early.

I sure wish you all would stop quoting Carl. I have him on ignore but when you quote him I have to wade through his divisive drivel.

That's the way I feel about index and PD..... But per your request, not more Carl quotes.... :cool:

I am on board ... good idea.

which reps aren't accepting responsibility
that's really spineless, be a man and admit you screwed up, fix it and learn from your mistake. i have way more respect for that

mem rat is good for illegals but not important for the amended deal. if they are giving delta pilots 40 mil and more jobs outside of section 6 things look brite for next spring. big numbers going on my survey and if they ignore half of it itll be a huge contract anyway

Again, I think all the reps, admin and NC did a very good job measured by the product delivered to the pilots.

If you want to do your own research, all of the Councils' communications are up on the MEC web site.

That's some high theory, but kind of pushing it IMO. We were told, although in softer language than many wanted, that the company doing so was a clear contractual violation and would be fought for and grieved if necessary. I don't know anyone who actually thought its positive outcome was even slightly at risk. Never underestimate a company advocate with a pre-determined agenda arbitrator though I suppose. In any case I think our pilots do a great job and really move the operation. I don't foresee in practice the mass gridlock that could have potentially happened in theory. I give us more credit than that.

BTW, is anyone else bothered that the big win in all this...the ADG increase...doesn't take effect for almost half a year, but the reserve report issues that this whole thing was based on in the first place take effect immediately? One of which was 12 hours going to 13 hours...but is now back to 12 hours with the added bonus of automatic voice mail notification, and the other was nothing on day one before noon by company memo, but now its 10am per joint agreement. :confused:

It wouldn't have if you'd just posted the resolution to show that this wasn't something that the MEC came up with on their own. Instead you wrestled with the pig a little too long. I'm pretty good at that....

You've every right, and in my view a responsibility, to defend your friends with the facts. Sometimes those facts make people uncomfortable - they cause them to be accountable. Pandering populism fades when confronted with the facts. It's not a N-S thing when you show the facts.

Fact: C20 forwarded a resolution to the MEC unanimously passed by their membership. That resolution was done prior to the 1Q 2010 MEC meeting. The MEC took no action on it due to upcoming FAR changes. (source 2010 C20 resolution posted here).

Fact: The MEC directed the negotiating committee to negotiate the inclusion of SDP in this FAR 117 agreement (source C1 update posted here).

Opinion: The people active on various webboards were surprised by the inclusion of SDP in the agreement and reacted very negatively to their inclusion.

Opinion: I find it interesting that in their post meeting update C20 would writewhen one of the members of C20 was at the table for both the 2010 resolution and 2014 negotiator direction. Absent the C20 input, moved and seconded by Councils 1 and 108 at the MEC meeting, there was no other push for "illegals" of which I'm aware.

There's nothing "N vs S" in those facts. And we wouldn't have been discussing SDP without the concurrence of the Delta MEC.

You've got to wonder why there's not a similar level of outrage over the cross council recall efforts, though. Makes some of the protests here ring hollow, imo.