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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 1687651)
I like both sides of the story and you do offer another perspective which can be good. It's just too much of an us versus them mentality with you which may come from somewhere in your career that I can't fathom.
Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 1687651)
There's room for civil disagreement on the way we achieve it without belittling and name calling. We know what we've lost.
Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 927260)
ACL, Carl has an agenda and you're on the other side so you're a target...
...I'd rather see your opinions and your usual informative posts then you trying to repel attacks from a red book whale guy.. Carl |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1687659)
I can't dispute anything you wrote, here.
In vino veritas. ;) |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1687675)
Carl |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1687553)
Actually, I was told that it had to do with the fact that European labor contracts are not public documents in the same sense that our are, and that they are generally held very close to the vest.
I am not certain whether that remains the case or not. |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1687602)
FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP!
Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil. Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that. Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?) Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that. JMHO, Ferd Those of us on APC don't need to know where the battle lines are drawn, we pay attention. No amount of arguing between party lines is going to change anyone's mind. As for me, I'm behind ALPA and Donatelli as we progress to C15. Period. LL Scambo-J We have fresh meat joining the ranks. Let's help them out. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1687688)
Either way how hard can it be to find someone to kick it across the pond? Keeping it a secret benefits neither pilot group. Its in all our interests that we know what the other makes. It puts pressure on the cheaper ones to bring up their end of the cost side, and it pressures the more expensive ones to fight harder for better scope (not just JV but for everything).
Carl |
This ^^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1687602)
FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP!
Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil. Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that. Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?) Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that. JMHO, Ferd |
FOR GAWD'S SAKE, CAN YA'ALL JUST STOP! Carl, I love ya dearly man, but I just fast forwarded through 5 or 6 pages of you and the ALPA nitwits duking it out over stuff that has and never will be settled. Trust me, it's you and about 3 guys vs about 3 or 4 ALPA guys.........no one else is reading it. If you haven't noticed, the participation around here is almost nil. Here's my suggestion..........start a new thread! Call it "Latest and Worse of DALPA" or something like that. Or, and this is my preference, tell a joke, tell a flying story or two, post some cheerleader picks (remember when you used to do that?) Look guys, we have a bunch of new guys coming that will need "how to" help just like us NWA guys did a few years ago. We need to clear the decks for that. JMHO, Ferd Sincerely, thank you for your post. Sincerely, Kyle |
Originally Posted by Wmuav8r
(Post 1687712)
From another member of the new guy contingent around here you nailed it Ferd! Thanks man!
Welcome Aboard ! (It's good to see you on here.) :D |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1687590)
Got it. You're good with performance ("success") that yields a 34% cut in buying power 7 years after the "crisis" is over and during times of unprecedented profits and outlook for our company... and with no apparent intent to do a whole lot better than that going forward. "Vive le difference" indeed! :rolleyes:
To be fair C-2012 pre-dates record profits so this contract is the one that will determine if our compensation has been permanently reset or not. On the other hand, you can argue that management saw the record profits coming and used that information to their advantage in C-2012. You would probably win that argument. Scoop |
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