I understand. Dont know. It is water under the bridge. Enjoy and move on.

My concern is a future merger with HA. This is why I bring this up. HA has Captains hired in the late 2000s. I bring this 2000/2001 behind 2007/2008 metric up so that the minority do not get forgotten again.

TEN

Wow, the SLI again.......guess things must be going ok around here if this is all there is to talk about.

The list was about as good as we were going to get....on day one. No one's life changed much (the goal) but over time we are seeing some of the flaws. The tweak that was needed was the dynamic list that the NWA Blue guy put forward IMHO. Unfortunately it didn't satisfy the NWA Greens and was way to radical for the South guys.

Maybe next time with the next merger........especially if the demographics are way off (like the E vs W). What made ours work is our demographics weren't that far off (N slightly older that S).

But, no one has come up with a good answer of what to do if we (a large international carrier) merges with a small domestic/narrowbody only carrier. To my knowledge no one has figured that one out yet.

Ferd

Agreed. Can we move on? Nothing productive ever comes from this topic. Neither side is going to see it from the other's...

At the risk of being accused a SPAMMER (T?) I'm going to repost this here for better visibility:

Do you Call to Actions. There are TWO of them. The first is another (still important) Deny NAI call, and the second has to do with the ExIM bank. We all crow about the injustices of this industry, well here's a chance to take a minute of your time (literally) to do something about it:

CLICK HERE, SERIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE 1 MINUTE?

How do you attach that giant picture of a Swingline? :D

Either that, or a LOOOOONG geographical fence around HNL and/or Juno :p

Here Ten and Bar, let me graph it.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb9c052a8.png

Basically, everyone stayed within 3% of where they were. Or more specifically, -2.28% to 3.33% of where they were.

Now look at where the percentages peak out. One of the first is around 700 on the Integrated Seniority List. Who is that?

Well, there both guys sitting around 300 on their respective lists at the time. Both went back to 700, so they could complain they're seniority list doubled. The NWA is a 1979 hire and is now mixed in with a 1985 hire, so he could say he went back 6 years. But % wise, NWA moved up .7% and DAL guy went back .5%.

Now if you go to the biggest difference is around 6000. Who are they? The guy right at 6000 on the DAL side was a Sep 1991 hire. He would go from 3400 to 6000, a loss of 2600 numbers if you look at it that way. But percentage wise it was a drop from 46 to 48%, -2.24% to be exact. So who did he merge in with? A NWA 1990 hire. So that NWA hire could legitimately say he moved back 1 year, he too could also say he moved back 3400 numbers because he was 2611 and now he is 6000. But what happened % wise is he moved up 3% from 51% to 48%.

And so on throughout the list. Some people went up, some went down % wise. Some got swept up and some got swept down. But the variance was less than 4% of their previous position on their respective list although some like to tout "I moved backwards 3000 numbers" even though 99% moved backwards in that regard. Or "I was merged in with people hired # years after me."

But it was based on percentage.

No tunnels!?!?!?:D

FTB, nice chart as usual.

But, just a point of order. We didn't do relative seniority (well sort of but that's the Readers Digest version). We did a Status and Category list, which will actually fix the Alaska question. IE the #1 Alaska guy would be slotted in with our #1 737 guy.......in theory........

It's actually not that complicated to do a E vs W. If it was HAL, they have 717s and 330s and so forth. It goes like this, we send DAL pilots over to HAL type rated on the representative airplanes. Then, they get in the planes and run like they stole them. Then we deny that happened while we change the locks and door codes. BOOM. our fleet is bigger, we have a new base.

Im so sorry for adding to this SLI. Again, You (yes you too BAR) are all my brothers. SO let me stop beating around the bush and state my concern or desire. IT might be too radical but::D:D

I DONT THINK THERE SHOULD BE ONE ALASKA OR HAWAIIAN PILOT PUT IN FRONT OF A DELTA PILOT, NOT ONE! Hah,, there I said it.

I know, I am not the only one that had a chance to work for either above. And I am willing to bet Delta and NWA were always higher on the career totem pole. I am very sure of this.

Good Day. Sorry about the PASSION!!

TEN

Oh and please don't leave your 717 brothers and sisters behind. Send help.

http://www.boatus.com/Assets/www.boa.../Life-Raft.jpg