Hey I'm one of the early 07 "lucky" guys. Everything with seniority in this biz is pure luck. I had nothing to do with 01 hires getting put behind me. I don't recall asking the arbitrators to give me anything. When you give the outcome of a SLI to a third party that consists of lawyers and receives data from ALPA, what did you expect?

I can't believe we are still talking about this.

Ten,

Good responses, BTW.

Absent intervening conditions, like an imminent bankruptcy, network failure, or alter ego transfer; I believe category/status is status quo and should be applied. An Hawaiian 330A should be a 330A post merger.

Their pilots made the decision to pursue employment with a growing carrier and then had the good fortune to see that carrier grow it's wide body fleet. I made the decision to pursue an airline in my home town. It may have been more difficult to get hired at Delta (or NWA) but that really does not matter.

Why do pilots, who engage in routine arbitrage on homes, equities, cars and collectables think they should get anything other than market value for their wares in a merger? I can't sell my home for more than it is worth because it would be "fair." By the same token, if I buy a home in a neighborhood that goes to crap should another pilot have to supplement my sale?

Yes, both sides try to game the system to their advantage. Should we merge with Hawaiian I have no doubt very valid comparisons of earnings, quality of life, contracts and expectations will be made by both sides.

Allright, off to the Dental Hobby Shop........why does that sound like more fun than APC???

Just kidding, honest......see ya boyz later!!

Ferd

From yesterdays crew resources base visit. Dtw 777 will draw down a few positions, MSP 777 will open (can't remember how many positions) and ATL 777 will see a slight increase. Also NYC 330 should open first quarter of 2015.

I get where the 00/01 hires are coming from. The first thought I had when I looked at the list and saw 01 North guys around me was "that doesn't seem right". After looking at relative percentages, it made more sense, but I get how the DOH thing will always rub guys the wrong way. You guys have had to eat one WSS after another the last 15 years and I feel for ya.

As far as the Alaska/Hawaiian deal goes, if we ever merge with either there is no way they will be stapled. If it goes to arbitration it will go as a category and class integration. That will put 07 hires at HA merged in with guys hired in the 90's.

I'm so tired about you guys and the SLI. You go on and on...

Don't you people get it. It's not about you. It's all about me!:D

Where does the 777 go from MSP?

I am not sure but with parking the 747s there is going to be a shift in flying on the 777. My guess is they will do AMS and NRT.

Ten and FTB; are DC-9's (or 717's), 767-300ER's and A330-800 NEO's the same thing? Would you bid them all as equivalent aircraft?

The Delta/NWA merger, for the most part, ignored the differences in our pre-merger fleets, as FTB's chart very clearly shows. Had we integrated by category status we might have never found "peace." I believe this was a consideration in treating the NWA and Delta fleets as equivalents (with the exception of the 747 and 777).

We have an excellent group on our merger committee and if called on to serve I have no doubt they will put forward the best position for our pilot group.

Agreed. Maybe not the 1990's, but close.

Another reason why we need to attack the outsourcing of our jobs (and growth) to Air France / KLM and Virgin. In arbitration the growth (or sustainability) of our operation will be questioned by our partner.

Thus far, we have yet to see an objective indication that Delta is doing much other than liquidating our long haul fleet. ALPA says they've seen he future and it is bright (but they can't tell us about it and management could change their mind).

IMHO scope needs to be #1 in the contract survey.